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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Scott Downey, Dec 28, 2019.

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  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    You ignore an unfortunate fact that the Greek disagrees with you.[​IMG]
     
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    Your ignoring how the New Covenant relationship works, as I showed you. OC prophets pointed to how the new Covenant works as it is described in Hebrews 8 which is quoted out of Jeremiah an OC prophet. The OC ways have been obsoleted and have passed away and we live now in the NC ways of God established by Christ.
     
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    Utterly irrelevant. My authority for definitions of scriptural terms is the scripture, God's definition, not man's.
    Besides, the point was made using Hosea.
     
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    Wow. You really did correct the Lord!
     
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    I am a one point Calvinist, OSAS, and a two point Arminian (Christ died for all mankind, and our individual election for salvation is based on Faith) I believe the election of Ephesians 1:4 was corporate, God chose His Redeemer, and therefore chose corporately all those the Redeemer would redeem. However, I believe during our lifetime we are chosen by God individually based on God crediting our faith as righteousness.
    Radically different view based on scripture and not the doctrines of men.
     
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    Completely relevant. God used the Greek word to express what He does. You seem to believe you can ignore what God said and rewrite whatever you wish.
     
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    You stand alone on an island built for one by your own sculpting.
     
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    You are hilarious.
     
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    A) Show me one verse instructing me to refer to the Greek.
    B) That's a man's definition of the Greek word. Check 7 dictionaries and see different definitions.
    C) The whole argument is a moot point, again. Let's grant draw = drag. God said draw in Hosea in Hebrew but let's grant that even in the Hebrew, draw=drag. Then, according to God himself in Hosea, God can drag a man, and that man can refuse and resist. Even worse!
     
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    No he doesn't.
     
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    I don't agree with him but no he doesnt
     
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    What language did the writers of scripture use? Hint: It wasn't English. Double Hint: It was Greek.
    You are rejecting the original language.

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    The Colossians were not born again. It does not say they were born again,



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    You never said I was anything. I was the one who splely made the point of not being a Calvinist. I am also not Arminian in my theology.
     
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    Obsoleted, but not passed away yet, Matthew 5:18, Revelation 20:11.
     
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    The underlined above hasn't happened yet. Not all know the Lord as this suggest yet In fact the opposite is true.How do you explain this?
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    So why tell me this again I remembered you're not a Calvinist. Did you forget that you have already told me this. Maybe you just want to make sure I understand it
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    Folks, we have a quote feature. If you do not know how to use it please take a moment to learn.

    Look on the right side of each post. There is a “’+Quote” button. If you choose this button then the post will be added to your quotes. You can quote several, pick a bunch and remove what you don’t want, and refine the quote as needed when pasting it into your thread.

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