Only those in the new Covenant now having a saving relationship with God.
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Judaism or Christianity?
- Thread starter NetChaplain
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Two of the prophecies concerning the final salvation of Israel (Isa 45:17) which I believe are often misapplied, and which have yet to occur are Jer 31:31-34 and Eze 36:26, 27. Remember, this work of God will be done unto the larger part of Israel, not the smaller part that exits now (Messianic Christians), during the Millennium reign of Christ and His Church.
They will be fulfilled at time of the Second coming...
Hi and thanks for your comments! Amen, which leaves the only time left, during the Millennium.
canadyjd
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NetChaplain:
Again, please answer this question.
When God the Father lifts the veil from the eyes of the Jewish people, will they accept Jesus as their Messiah/Savior and obtain salvation by faith, or will they obtain salvation on the basis of their being descendants of Abraham?
peace to you
Again, please answer this question.
When God the Father lifts the veil from the eyes of the Jewish people, will they accept Jesus as their Messiah/Savior and obtain salvation by faith, or will they obtain salvation on the basis of their being descendants of Abraham?
peace to you
Not just Abraham's progeny but his progeny who have believed in God (Jn 14:1). They will not believe in Christ until they see Him (e.g. Rev 1:7), which will be too late for the blessing of being partakers of the son-ship of Christ (e.g. Jn 20:29). They will then still be the people of God (Father) but not children in Christ; which requires being an over-comer in Him in this life (rev 21:7). I still researching Rev 21:3 with the concept that it may relate to Israel.
I believe that the Jews will believe on Christ without seeing Him. But they will see His Resurrection Power, in the middle of the Great Tribulation, when He raises His Two Witnesses from the dead before them. And they watch them ascend, as Christ did. The Jews will then believe that the Testimony and Prophecies the Two Witnesses made are true. And they will then know that the Antichrist is against them. They will then flee Jerusalem, as prophecied, and be sheltered by God for the second half of the Great Tribulation. The 144,000 that were sealed, shall be spread out upon the earth. When the world is tormented by the scorpion locusts for 5 months, and they seek death and cannot find it, the 144,000 are not harmed by the scorpion locusts. Logically, those who were tormented, would like either seek to obtain the blessings that the 144,000 are under, or despise them in envy. I would suspect both. There must be widespread salvation of enough Gentiles during the second half of the Tribulation, for the nations to repopulate the earth during Christ's thousand year reign. Those 144,000 sealed Jews shall lead many to Christ.
1689Dave
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When Christ abolished circumcision on the cross, the only Israel that remained was spiritual believing Israel. This is biblical Israel. The unbelievers remained as secular worldly Israel only. Some of these became spiritual Israel upon accepting Christ. But the rest are permanently removed and remain under God's wrath unless they accept Christ.
canadyjd
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Please, yes or no. Will the Jews who believe after the veil is lifted by God receive salvation by faith in Jesus?
Your position gives the impression that there is a way of salvation other than faith in Jesus. Additionally, you say those who are saved outside of faith in Jesus have a “lesser” version of a relationship with God, and do not partake in the full blessings of God.
These beliefs seem very odd to me.
peace to you
George Antonios
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That unwitting confession that we were graffed in contradicted the whole argument. We were graffed in because there was something there to be graffed into - the covenants and promises of God to ethnic Israel. How could "the true Israel" have been graffed in to a non-existent Israel?
George Antonios
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In discussing this issue, one must ever keep in mind the difference between God's dealing with the Jew as an individual, and God's dealing with Israel as a nation. Paul calls such distinctions rightly dividing. Too often the arguments are invalid because they confound those 2 separate entities.
God still has plans for national Israel, as He stated that all Israel shall be saved, and that they will see Him whom they pierced and mourn for Him on that Day!
yes, as right now Jews and gentiles both are saved in One Body, the Church of God, but at time of Great tribulation leading up to Second Coming, God turns back to dealing with national Israel.
Particular
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Grafted into the promise and the covenant. I see no contradiction, but this may be because I don't hold a dispensationalist view of the Bible.
1689Dave
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Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world.
neither do I, nor Spurgeon, but we both see God still had a plan for national Israel alive at the time of the end times, in order to bring them into being now all spiritual Israel!
At that time, but his kingdom will one day be over all the earth, as foretold by the OT prophets!
1689Dave
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It will be in the new heavens and earth. The millennium is a pharisee doctrine condemned as heresy by the council of Ephesus in 431.