Aspects of the Atonement

[MB]

It can be by the lost, as they keep on rejecting Jesus to save them, but all elect sinners will turn to Jesus and accept Him!

Most of the Jews do not turn to Jesus and yes they are real Jews elect and all of that
MB

 

[JonC]

Most of the Jews do not turn to Jesus and yes they are real Jews elect and all of that
MB

Good point. They were branches cut off of an elect (corporate) group.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Most of the Jews do not turn to Jesus and yes they are real Jews elect and all of that
MB

Why do you suppose that all Jews were/are elect?

 

[MB]

Why do you suppose that all Jews were/are elect?

God chose the Jews when He chose Jacob. I realize there are many who claim to be Jews but only those descending from Jacob really are. Why do Calvinist claim they are elect? when there is no scripture that says Gentiles are. Especially individual or other wise. Gentiles can only assume they are elect.?
Gentiles are only elect when God says so. That is not in scripture. Why do you assume a man cannot be saved if not elect first? Also not in scripture.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

I know it is tied together.

Man's blood is shed, he will suffer and die AND THEN the judgment.

What you present is Jesus having to be born, live, suffer, have his blood spilled and die as is command mankind.

But the redeeming part is what He suffered instead of us (this spiritual separation), correct?

In other words what is in focus is this spiritual separation from God in Hell. Correct?

Jesus took on our sin, became the sin bearer, and as such, He had a real physical death, and suffered as a lost sinner will for all eternity separated from God the father while upon that Cross!

 

[Yeshua1]

God chose the Jews when He chose Jacob. I realize there are many who claim to be Jews but only those descending from Jacob really are. Why do Calvinist claim they are elect? when there is no scripture that says Gentiles are. Especially individual or other wise. Gentiles can only assume they are elect.?
Gentiles are only elect when God says so. That is not in scripture. Why do you assume a man cannot be saved if not elect first? Also not in scripture.
MB

Romans makes it very clear that the elected Jews are the faithful Remnant chosen out by God in every generation, and he elects unto eternal life in Christ in the NT both Jews and Gentiles into one Body now!

 

[Yeshua1]

Good point. They were branches cut off of an elect (corporate) group.

Good point. They were branches cut off of an elect (corporate) group.

National Israel was under a Corporate election under the OC, as not every physical Jews was also a spiritual Jew, but under the NC, all are saved, as its now Individual calling and election in Christ!

 

[Yeshua1]

Most of the Jews do not turn to Jesus and yes they are real Jews elect and all of that
MB

Not all the Jews were elect in even Israel though, as Paul told us in Romans only the faithful remnant were!

 

[MB]

Romans makes it very clear that the elected Jews are the faithful Remnant chosen out by God in every generation, and he elects unto eternal life in Christ in the NT both Jews and Gentiles into one Body now!

Show me where in scripture that God has elected Gentiles? Just you saying so does not make it true. God's word announces the Jews to be elect. Show me where God has announced the Gentiles are elect? You can't do it because the Bible never even once says such a thing.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

Show me where in scripture that God has elected Gentiles? Just you saying so does not make it true. God's word announces the Jews to be elect. Show me where God has announced the Gentiles are elect? You can't do it because the Bible never even once says such a thing.
MB

1 peter 1:2

 

[MB]

1 peter 1:2

Peter was speaking to Jews In 1.Peter 1:2 The strangers are who was scattered by God Him Self. Those Jews living in those countries because Peter was not the apostle to the Gentiles. Paul was. Besides it never says Peter is writing to Gentiles. This verse proves Peter was speaking to the Jews.

1Pe_2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

By the way this is the only time in these letters that Gentiles are even mentioned. You falsely apply what is meant for the Jews to your self.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

Peter was speaking to Jews In 1.Peter 1:2 The strangers are who was scattered by God Him Self. Those Jews living in those countries because Peter was not the apostle to the Gentiles. Paul was. Besides it never says Peter is writing to Gentiles. This verse proves Peter was speaking to the Jews.

1Pe_2:12 Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that, whereas they speak against you as evildoers, they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation.

By the way this is the only time in these letters that Gentiles are even mentioned. You falsely apply what is meant for the Jews to your self.
MB

Are you saying that we do not have anything other than the Pauline Epistles written directly to us then?

 

[MB]

Are you saying that we do not have anything other than the Pauline Epistles written directly to us then?

For your information Paul is the only apostle to the Gentiles Yet at the same time the Greeks and a few Romans are the only ones known to be His audience.Paul told us in Acts that we have been granted repentance and that Salvation has been sent to the Gentiles and will hear it.

Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Paul never called a Gentile elect. Election has always been for the Jews only Never Gentiles. Every letter He wrote to the Church was to the majority and they were Jews. After all If there were any Gentiles in the synagogues where he preached it was very few if any. Synagogues belonging to the Jews means Gentiles just didn't go there unless invited and that would have been very rare. Even today Gentiles and Jews are not very sociable.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

For your information Paul is the only apostle to the Gentiles Yet at the same time the Greeks and a few Romans are the only ones known to be His audience.Paul told us in Acts that we have been granted repentance and that Salvation has been sent to the Gentiles and will hear it.

Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Paul never called a Gentile elect. Election has always been for the Jews only Never Gentiles. Every letter He wrote to the Church was to the majority and they were Jews. After all If there were any Gentiles in the synagogues where he preached it was very few if any. Synagogues belonging to the Jews means Gentiles just didn't go there unless invited and that would have been very rare. Even today Gentiles and Jews are not very sociable.
MB

So to you then only the Pauline epistles are for we Gentiles to use then?