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And when any of us think that now have become an Apostle and have perfect theology and understanding!

 

I misunderstood Jon C post, as thought that he was saying that you were to one trying to get him to censure you from board!

 

That he would have lived for ever is the inevitable conclusion one has to make from Genesis 2:17. 'In the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die.' Surely, the necessary corollary is, that if you don't eat of it, you won't die. It's like someone saying to you, "If you keep doing that, I'm calling the police." It is a reasonable assumption that if you stop doing 'that,' he won't call the police.
The rest is, I think, a reasonable assumption, but it takes me further into the realm of speculation than I care to go. What I will say is that if the first Adam had not fallen, there would have been no need for a last Adam. But of course, that may be the very reason that God allowed Adam to fall.

 

Thank you for your kind words.
A couple of other similarities between Eden and the New Jerusalem came into my mind. The first I had intended to post, but it slipped my mind. The others have occurred to me since.
So firstly, the curse that was inflicted in Genesis 3 because of Adam's sin is no more. 'And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.' (Revelation 22:3).The curse came about because the man ceased to serve God. But the Man-God served the father perfectly and so the curse is lifted in the eternal state, never to be re-imposed.

Secondly, you wrote about Eden as the mount of the Lord, and correctly pointed out that most other places where God meets with man are on mountains (Mt. Horeb, Mt Sinai, Mt. Zion, Sermon on the Mount, Mountain of Transfiguration etc.). Ezekiel 28:13-15 describes Eden as 'the holy mountain of God.' The same verses describe Eden as rich with precious stones and gold, as does Genesis 2:11. And of course the New Jerusalem is paved with gold and rich with precious stones.

Lastly, we note that in the New Jerusalem, 'They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light' (Revelation 22:5). And the uncreated Light must have been that which lit the earth on the first three days of creation. I'm not sure what to make of that, but it is nonetheless so, and it is another proof that the end is better than the beginning that God's light will light heaven for all eternity.

 

Question

Is made, " a little lower than the angels," relative to the concept of life and or death?

and him who was made some little less than messengers we see -- Jesus -- because of the suffering of the death, with glory and honour having been crowned, that by the grace of God for every one he might taste of death. Heb 2:9

In other words was the man,, Adam, singular from creation and the Son of Man, Christ, also singular, from birth of Mary, both made less than the angles in order for the death to have dominion over them? See also Rom 6:9

Did Adam at creation need to be born again to enter the kingdom of God? Could Adam at creation have inherited the kingdom of God without having been changed?

Here is the plan before the man Adam is created.

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Who should bring about the need for the plan the first man created or the last man born? What was God's plan? Did the clay in the potters hand act according to the plan of the potter?

I say yes. Why? 1 John 3:8 and Heb 2:9-14

All because of the devil the sinner from the beginning.

 

A small technical point here. The word translated 'angels' in Psalms 8:5 is actually elohim in the Masoretic Text, which is usually translated 'God' or 'gods.' So the NASB has, 'You have made him a little lower than God.' However, since the LXX, Syriac and Targum all have 'angels' and the Holy Spirit inspired the writer of Hebrews to do the same, that seems to be the right translation.
'A little lower than the angels' perhaps in 'power and might' (2 Peter 2:11).

As I have said before, I think it is ridiculous to suppose that Adam would have died if he had not sinned because of Genesis 2:17. Suppose that someone said to you, "The very day you come and work for me, I'll pay you $10,000 up front." If you didn't come and work for him, would you still expect to receive the $10,000? The word 'if' is not in Genesis 2:17, but it is nevertheless a conditional statement.
It is plain that Adam was created sinless, and had he remained that way he would not have died. He is also called the son of God (Luke 3:38) We read in Genesis 2:7, 'And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.' It is not said of the birds or animals that God 'breathed' into them, nor that they became living beings, though obviously they were alive and breathing. The Hebrew word for breath is the same as the word for spirit, so I believe that Adam was spiritually alive in that he was able to have a close relationship with God (check out 1 Corinthians 2:11-16). Now, God told Adam that in the day he ate the forbidden fruit, he would die; but he didn't. He lived another 900 years or so and begat sons and daughters. So what sort of death did he die in that day? Surely it was a spiritual death, as shown by his immediate hiding from God in the garden (Genesis 3:8).
To go further than that is speculation. There is nothing that says that he had a resurrection body, for example.

No and yes, in that order. See above.

God is not the author of evil. Adan was created sinless but defectable, yet he fell by his own fault when tempted by Satan. But of course, that did not take God by surprise, and He had prepared a rescue plan for mankind. This plan involved a better covenant, a better covenant Head, a perfect, acceptable propitiation for sin, and eventually, a better and more glorious future for the spiritual children of Christ, than that which Adam lost for his physical offspring.

Indeed! But the Seed of the woman has crushed the serpent's head, and we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.

 

Spiritiallife is a human being able to have a real relationship and communion with God, as that is done thru not the physical body, but in the immaterial aspect of man!

 

Since sin brought death to creation of God, why would Adam not be immortal before he fell?

 

Could God have made though created Adam as being even higher than the angels, as being the very pinnacle of His creation?

 

I quoted 1 Corinthians 2:11 above. Adam had a close relationship with God when originally created. And if he didn't, how is creation 'very good' with him in it?