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What doctrines are essential to the new birth?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Benyamin, Feb 4, 2020.

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    More deflection, more stonewalling, more wasted electrons.

    Does Y1 deny Romans 4:4-5, Romans 4:23-24? Take a guess. Does Y1 deny God credits our faith as righteousness? Take a guess. Does Y1 ever answer the question asked? Take a guess.

    What is essential to being chosen, placed in Christ, and made alive together with Christ is God crediting our faith as righteousness. This is the truth the Calvinists try to bury in nonsense and deflection.
     
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    You always just avoid answering any direct questions!
     
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    Utterly false, why charge me with your behavior.

    What is essential to being chosen, placed in Christ, and made alive together with Christ is God crediting our faith as righteousness.
     
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    You can keep quoting that, its just that you keep misunderstanding its meaning!
     
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    Does Y1 deny Romans 4:4-5, Romans 4:23-24? Take a guess. Does Y1 deny God credits our faith as righteousness? Take a guess. Does Y1 ever answer the question asked? Take a guess.

    What is essential to being chosen, placed in Christ, and made alive together with Christ is God crediting our faith as righteousness. This is the truth the Calvinists try to bury in nonsense and deflection.
    More denial, more deflection, more nonsense. This is all they have folks, the Calvinists deny scripture
     
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    On what basis did God choose to save us Van?
     
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    How ever sin may make Christ angry If so then watch out for the consequences. If you do not confess the punishment can be server.
    The only thing that saves is Jesus Christ. A man can believe in Jesus Christ as savior and regardless of other doctrines is still saved. Being saved is eternal. Meaning there are no pauses or stops in eternal. Eternal Salvation does not save. The Holy Spirit does not save. God the Father does not save. Only Jesus Saves and when saved no one can pluck us out of His Hand. Not even sin.
     
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    the entire Godhead was involved in our salvation!
     
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    involved yes but only Christ saves.
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    The Holy Spirit indwells us, and the Father sent his Son, who died for us!
     
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    True but the Holy Spirit was given to us as a comforter. The Father has turned all things over to His Son. It is by the power of Christ that we are saved.
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    Does Y1 deny Romans 4:4-5, Romans 4:23-24? Take a guess. Does Y1 deny God credits our faith as righteousness? Take a guess. Does Y1 ever answer the question asked? Take a guess.

    What is essential to being chosen, placed in Christ, and made alive together with Christ is God crediting our faith as righteousness. This is the truth the Calvinists try to bury in nonsense and deflection.
    More denial, more deflection, more nonsense. This is all they have folks, the Calvinists deny scripture.
     
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    guess that means that you do not know the answer!
     
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    Here is the question to ask:
    If you were to explain to someone how to know God to know for sure of having eternal life and going to Heaven, what would you explain?
     
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    Yet another failure to address the topic. Why attempt to derail the thread?

    No nothing blowhards think the lost need to believe all the right doctrines to be saved. Hogwash

    If God credits our faith as righteousness, as flawed as it might be, He alone puts us in Christ which saves us eternally. When we test ourselves to see if we are "of the faith" at communion, do we think being pre-trib matters? You have got to be kidding!!!!!
     
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    God credits what faith for righteousness? It matters. There are essentials and secondary beliefs which do not matter when it comes to knowing God. Superficial answers give false hopes.

    The question I posted, if one can give such an answer, would be giving a viable answer to this thread.
     
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    Such general accusations are generally always false. What this one is false too?
     
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    Scripture answers your question, and doctrine is not mentioned. Here is the question for you to study, what "kind" of faith does God credit as righteousness. Trust in God or trust in doctrine? Love of Christ or love of doctrine. Is "faith" referring to the information (Son of God, God incarnate, Eternal God, etc) or full blown love and devotion to Christ, no matter what?
     
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    There are four things I might present to lead a person to trust in God's Christ.

    1) One should believe God's word.
    2) God sent His Son into this word to become a man to live a holy righteous life and to die for our sins and guilt so we do not have to perish and be punished for our own sins.
    3) As an evdence God really did this for us, He has giving us a witness that Jesus as His anointed Son, having actually paid for our sins, rose bodily from the dead. And now is at the right hand of God to intercede for us.
    4) And the promise is, if we believe God did this, we have complele forgiveness, which He says He will never take away, saying, "their sins and iniquities will I remember no more."

    A typical Bible referencce I give people, witten on a card, 1 John 5:9-13. Making the point it says we can know we have eternal life.
     
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    Faith in Him. Faith in God who cannot lie. Pointing out that we, everyone of us, are standing in the very presence of God. [Omnipresent] And that God sent His Son to take upon Himself, on our behalf, our sins and guilt. And the evidence that God by way of His Son did this, paid for our sins and guilt, is His Son rose from the dead and that this evidence is found in our Bible, in the New Testament.

    There are details [often omited] which cannot be denied. If a person is willing to believe in God's gift of salvation, will be given the ability from God [John 7:17].
     
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