1689Dave
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How about babies and those beyond the reach of the gospel?
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What doctrines are essential to the new birth?
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God's election and grace still in [play for them! Adults will be granted the message some ho and in some fashion, while babes and mentally challenged fall under his Grace and mercies!
1689Dave
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Where does it say this?
George Antonios
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You keep saying that but we need verses.
George Antonios
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Only those who receive him are given the power to become born again. It's pretty clear English.
George Antonios
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Ah yes, the ol' Calvinistic oozing sanctimoniousness of pride masquerading as humility and being more royal than the King.
1689Dave
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Either it's true or it is not. Take a swing at it with scripture.
1689Dave
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It says the were born of God, not free will.
So George I understand that you had a say so in your natural birth?... You had no say so in your spiritual one either... Brother Glen
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Btw George can you control the wind?... I didn't think so!
David had a son born out of adultery, who died, and yet was still with God!
Hebrews details to us that the way of salvation was always the same, as the sacrifices of and by themselves did not save any, but they had faith and trust in the coming messiah they all pointed towards!
yes, especially born of the Will of God, not of man!
George Antonios
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So George I understand that you had a say so in your natural birth?... You had no say so in your spiritual one either... Brother Glen
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Btw George can you control the wind?... I didn't think so!
That kind of argument is a logic taken to a non-scriptural extreme which can be easily flipped about on its head.
Romans 8 agrees with me over and against Calvinism.
Only an uninformed Calvinist would claim Jesus and Paul disagreed.
That is what I said. But God's choice is on the basis of faith, 2 Thessalonians 2:13
On and on the Calvinists post false claims, fictions, misrepresentations and deflections. Romans 8 teaches God chooses individuals for salvation on the basis of faith. Regeneration follows being chosen, and faith is the basis of being chosen. Just read it folks.
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