I also have heard them state that while we are secure in God, and he will never drop us, we have still free will to take ourselves out of His hand!
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Who is Hebrews 6 actually speaking about then?
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canadyjd
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Jesus said “no one” can take His sheep out of His hand. That means no one, not even His sheep. He said He would not lose one.
We didn’t earn our salvation, and we do not have to earn perseverance. Jesus keeps us secure, Holy Spirit indwelling is the down payment promise that what Jesus said is true
peace to you.
He is our "earnest pledge"
canadyjd
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Big reason why eternally secured, as God Himself has sealed us by the Holy Spirit, and will one day give to us our full inheritance!
Have you noticed that Heb. 6 comes after Heb. 3? Psalm 95 is quoted.
Jewish Christians are particularly addressed, in a situation where to confess Christ meant rejection & persecution by the Jewish authorities.
As in the Exodus they followed their leader up to a point, & did not receive the promise because of unbelief.
How many are there in our churches today who like to think they are saved, but without a living faith made evident by a committed life?
Jewish Christians are particularly addressed, in a situation where to confess Christ meant rejection & persecution by the Jewish authorities.
As in the Exodus they followed their leader up to a point, & did not receive the promise because of unbelief.
Heb. 3:12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 15 while it is said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
How many are there in our churches today who like to think they are saved, but without a living faith made evident by a committed life?
How many think right with God due to being water baptized, go to a church, and "good person"
Kai
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I believe these are people who have experienced the blessings of Christianity and made a profession of faith, but whose faith never really took root. This is similar to the seed that fell on rocky ground in Jesus' parable (Matthew 13:20-21). They initially receive the word with joy, but there is no lasting root.
I also think the context is important. The falling away refers to returning to the old covenant sacrificial system, essentially going back to temple sacrifices after having heard the truth of Christ's once-for-all sacrifice. It is impossible to renew them to repentance under that system because, as Hebrews 10:4 tells us, "it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins." Those sacrifices pointed forward to Christ; they were never the ultimate answer to sin.
The writer goes on to say in verse 6 that he is confident of better things concerning his readers, things that accompany salvation. This suggests a distinction between the experiences described earlier and the things that genuinely accompany salvation. Later, in Hebrews 10:39, he says, "But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul."
So I don't believe Hebrews 6 teaches that someone can be genuinely born again and then lose their salvation at all. Jesus said plainly that His sheep shall never perish and that no one can snatch them out of His hand (John 10:28-29).
I also think the context is important. The falling away refers to returning to the old covenant sacrificial system, essentially going back to temple sacrifices after having heard the truth of Christ's once-for-all sacrifice. It is impossible to renew them to repentance under that system because, as Hebrews 10:4 tells us, "it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins." Those sacrifices pointed forward to Christ; they were never the ultimate answer to sin.
The writer goes on to say in verse 6 that he is confident of better things concerning his readers, things that accompany salvation. This suggests a distinction between the experiences described earlier and the things that genuinely accompany salvation. Later, in Hebrews 10:39, he says, "But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul."
So I don't believe Hebrews 6 teaches that someone can be genuinely born again and then lose their salvation at all. Jesus said plainly that His sheep shall never perish and that no one can snatch them out of His hand (John 10:28-29).
Yes. It was addressed to 'that generation' on whom 'the wrath to come', came.
They alwo believe that once you lose it, you can never be saves again. See Hebrews 6
It is not a mystery and one does not have to guess who the epistle was written to. It was written to the Hebrews and the first 3 verses of the epistle is a dead giveaway of that fact.
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds (Aions = ages = time frames with beginnings and endings for specific Devine purposes);
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
So,
Ga 4:4 - But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Not the fulness of times like in Ephesians 1:10 but "the time."
So when was the fulness of the time? It was at the end of the age in which Jesus, the son of God appeared. That is not a guess.
See here:
He 9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:
25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;
26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world (kosmos, the creation): but now once in the end of the world (aion) hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
God made these ten tribes of Israel to be as gentiles, not ethnically but functionally, during this present age and would have builded his house with them had they believed. During this same time Jesus said that Judah, to whom he came in the flesh, would not be saved in this world (aion, He came under the dispensation of Law) neither in the one to come, which is the age of grace., the present one, because of their rejecting him as the Messiah.
Keep in mind that God is not speaking to individuals in these Hebrew Christian epistles but to the tribes of Israel Both Israel in the wilderness under Moses and these strangers under Jesus were led for 40 years to the entrance into their rest and refused to go in.
He 3:11 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
2 Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
There is a condition in verse 6 above that should not be forgotten when one reads chapter 6. One must remember that Hebrews was written as late as 68 AD, two years before the dispersion in AD 70. Jude wrote about those who were candidates for the transforming gospel of Jesus Christ and cursed the law keeping Jewish teachers who persuaded them to remain in the Jews religion. John would write in his first epistle as late as 90 AD these words.
1 Jn 2:19: They (the many antichrists) went out from us but they were not of us; for if they had been of us they would no doubt have continued with us, but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
It is interesting to me to see to whom these apostles preached and that we have no Bible record of any of the 12 ever going to gentile lands except where those strangers lived. Paul was the only apostle to go west to Europe as far as I can tell.
Ga 2:6 But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man s person) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles)
9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
10 Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do.
One should read this whole context for there is much to know and God is to be praised for his marvelous wisdom in the church.
God is a God who fashioned time in dispensations for the cause of accomplishing purposes in those time frames and he wrote his Bible in a dispensational framework that must be understood dispensationally. Within those dispensations there are operational transitions of God because he is the member of the Godhead who is in charge of operations. See 1 Cor 12:4-6