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Ephesians 1:3-14 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth. In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, so that we who were the first to hope in Christ might be to the praise of his glory. In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.

Romans 8:1,29-39 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? Who shall bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written, “For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.” No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

Luther beat you to that bro!

 

Purgatory started with the JEWS.

Qaddish Mourner's prayer. Purification time ONE YEAR, but one would only pray it 11 months because it would be a insult to believe any sin was too severe for God to handle.

Kaddish - Wikipedia

Still done today. And that is where many speculations of purgatory involving a place and timeline. The church says those are speculations what is for sure is that we will be cleansed and purified because NOTHING impure can enter heaven.

That is a person does not go to heaven and get cleaned up in heaven. Nothing impure can enter it. So you will be made clean. Where? Don't know except not in heaven. When? Don't know.


Any time Jesus Resurrected ANYONE he makes a request of the dead to get up and they are most definitely CLEANSED from death.

God is not God of the dead. Mark 12 27“He is not the God of the dead, but of the living; you are greatly mistaken.”

Death is impure, and when you are resurrected you clearly have been cleansed by God.

 

I fully agree with these passages - especially the text in RED.
These promises are made to those who are IN CHRIST.

When a follower of Christ forsakes Him - he is no longer in Christ and is subject to the LOSS of his security as we are warned (Matt. 5:13, Matt. 7:21, Rom. 11:22, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-22, 2 Peter 3:17, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19). This is the entire reason for Paul recommending excommunication for those believers who have fallen into immorality (1 Cor. 5:1-13). The purpose of this discipline is to hopefully bring the person BACK to the Lord.

Paul wasn't writing about a person who was "never saved to begin with". He was writing about a member of the Body of Christ at Corinth. In verse 12 &13 - Paul makes it clear that this person is part of the Church - and NOT an outsider.
This person walked away from Christ and forsook the Body.

 

If you are immersed into Christ, you cannot forsake Christ. Even more so, Jesus promises not to leave us nor forsake us.

I trust what God tells me.

Hebrews 13:5-6 Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.” So we can confidently say, “The Lord is my helper; I will not fear; what can man do to me?”

Deuteronomy 31:6 Be strong and courageous. Do not fear or be in dread of them, for it is the Lord your God who goes with you. He will not leave you or forsake you.”

John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me,is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

Matthew 28:20 And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

 

Right - IF you are immersed in Christ.
EVERY time we sin, however - we are NOT immersed in Christ.

Every one of the verses you posted above is an admonition to STAY strong. If your false, man-made doctrine of Eternal Security were true, we wouldn't need these admonitions because we would automatically be doing these things - like robots . . .

 

I will sin until death or resurrection, but that affect my sanctification, not my Justification!

 

We are eternally Justified, as God already sees us now seated in Heavens in Christ, but RCC reverses salvation process! First its Pauline Justification, then we start sanctification, but RCC has us needing to become sanctify enough first to them merit Justification!

 

1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 to an incorruptible and undefiled inheritance that doesn’t fade away, reserved in Heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

 

The RCC rejected Pauline Justification at Trent, as you confuse Justification with Sanctification!

 

So, when are you r fully sanctified?

 

Sinning affects my fellowship with God, not my relationship!

 

This is absolute nonsense.
Show me the excerpt from the document at Trent that "rejected" Paul's teaching on justification.

Since YOU keep making this claim - I want documented evidence.

 

Do you think you are going to change their minds? Do you think they are here to have reasonable discussions? They are not. They are here to fight what they feel is a disinformation campaign against Catholics. They are worried to death someone might say something against Catholicism (go figure, Baptists might disagree with Catholics, who knew ). So they are literally combatants. They do not care about you, this site, or whether or not you might be telling the truth. They are here for their propaganda purposes. You are wasting your time.

 

That is a completely nonsensical statement.
Your fellowship with God IS your relationship with God.

 

No - I'm just here to stop the spreading of misinformation about Catholic teaching.
There's PLENTY of it around here . . .

 

The "incorruptible and undefiled inheritance" is referring to the fact that we won't have corruptible BODIES in Heaven.
We will be fully glorified just as Jesus was glorified after the Resurrection.

Verse 5 states that all of this is guarded through FAITH. It's not guaranteed if we LOSE faith.

 

When raised up glorified!

 

You mean that part that if any claimed to baith alone, that theye fully justified before God by grace alone faith alone, that they are claiming imputation of righteousness, let them be anathema?

 

I just wish that we woulkd treat RCC and Sda in same light as we do Mormons and Jw, and