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Christ reigns over His Church by the means He established ---> The episcopacy

 

Sure thing...

The Greek word from which we get "bishop" is episkopos. It comes from two Greek words:

Epi = over
Skopos = one that watches, looks after; guardian, protector

A bishop is thus an overseer / guardian / protector of a Church.

Acts 1:20
Acts 20:28
1 Tim 3:2
Phil 1:1
Titus 1:7

 

Walpole, your arguments are typically well thought out and intelligible, but you’re missing on this one bad...

Our Lord also said “I am the door”. Was he a literal door?

In John 21, Jesus told Peter to ‘Feed My lambs’ and ‘tend my sheep’. Was Jesus only concerned with a physical farm he had back in Nazareth and wanted his animals looked after?

 

I am rejecting the authority of the pope which was the topic at the time

I also reject other heresy of the RCC

 

Thanks for the kind words.

Was the instruction to actually eat the bread that Jesus said was His body literal or did the Apostles not actually consume it? In other words, did they recognize it was just a metaphor and not actually eat it?

Is there anywhere in salvation history (via the Scriptures) where eating a body was a metaphor for something other than that?

Is it just a coincidence that Jesus was born in the city of Bethlehem, which means "House of Bread" and laid in a manger, which is a feeding troth?

 

He is asking you if you believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. That in short is why Roman Catholics believe they are the one true church and you are merely another sect, (piss ant).

 

You can reject whomever you want, as I likewise do with rejecting your interpretation of the scriptures and your founders interpretation of them.

 

Of course he wasn't the door, but what you miss is the enormity of the moment and Jesus was not going to use metaphors at that point. He said what he said and he meant what he meant, it was only some 1600 years of all Christendom believing that truth was it changed by one man (Zwingli), who at that point was even rebelling from the first rebels (Luther & Co.) You are on shaky ground indeed with following that belief.

 

Come on.....who is the founder you are referring to!

 

I know what the word means. You still fail to prove your assertion from scripture. You stated:

Nowhere do you find anyone say "There is no church, if there is no valid bishop presiding over her."
Your assertion is false.
Jesus says that "where two or three are gathered in my midst, there I am." Nowhere does he say his church does not exist without a valid bishop presiding over her.
You bureaucratic nonsense from your denomination is showing.

 

Walpole, every Jew celebrates the Passover and has many symbolic rituals that are performed in the Seder meal. It is crystal clear that Jesus was speaking metaphorically.
Jesus disciples would have revolted and left him if they thought he was speaking literally. No Jew would ever break God's law by eating human flesh and drinking blood. It was forbidden.
Peter didn't have any clue that the dietary laws were changed until God sends him to talk with Cornelius in the book of Acts, so any claim that Jesus was offering his real flesh and real blood at the last supper is pure hocum.

 

Long before you walked this earth, long before John Smythe walked this earth, there were the leaders of the early Christian Curch who took over after all the Apostles died out.

They were called the Early Church Fathers, the Bishops who called the synods and councils that determined the basics of the Christian faith. Their legitimacy came directly from the apostles, men who had been ordained by their predecessors all the way back to the very last Apostle, from one Bisop to another. You act like none of that ever happened.

People who stood up and started their own little churches, who came up with their own interpretation of things were dismissed out of hand as the heretics they were. So yes, they were correct when they said where there is no valid bishop, there is no valid church. They took that stuff very seriously back then.

We had but one Christian Chuch, but one denomination, but one doctrine, not the thousands that exist today. You yourself are a member of a sect within a sect, are you not? Case closed!

 

Many people did leave Jesus after he proclaimed his body and blood in the Holy Eucharist. (John 6:66). In John 6:52, even the Jews understood exactly what Jesus was saying, it was no joke.

 

Ecumenical- adjective - representing a number of different Christian Churches.

Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry

Candlesticks - Seven church congregations
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4

If this interpretation is not correct why all the ado?



I find more churches going the way of the Laodicean church age. I do not believe Rome is an issue here as they are struggling with the same issues as everyone else.

 

The true church of christ is not Rome, Sda, or Baptist, but all of the redeemed!
They refuse to acknowledge either Pope or Ellen White!

 

Yes, this ecumenicalism is the road to apostasy. Indeed, the embracing of those we know to venerate Mary and hold that Christ is offered again and again in the Mass is itself apostasy. All the corruption and error in so-called “Evangelicalism” is why I consider myself a non-conformist puritan rather than an Evangelical anymore. Much of so-called “Evangelicalism” is abominable.

 

I understand Church history. That doesn't mean that a church without a bishop is not God's church. Once again you are falling upon your tradition, outside of scripture and then attempt to make a definitive statement.
Walpole's assertion has no legs.

 

Interesting that you deny the words of Jesus

 

Me? You need to look into a mirror.

 

I'd like to answer these, Adonia, just so you know where some of us stand:

Yes.

No.
Christ does not offer anyone anything.

He promises eternal life to those who believe on Him ( John 3:16, John 3:36, John 5:24 ), from the heart ( Romans 10:9-10 ).
It was never an offer that requires something that men can provide, similar to a market deal.

Eternal life is a gift ( Romans 6:23 ), given by God to those He decides to have mercy on ( Romans 9:14-18 ).

My "sect" is the same one that Paul was accused of being part of ( Acts of the Apostles 28:16-22 ).

Respectfully, we don't worship God in a building that's built like a temple and has an altar.
We don't need a temple, we are His temple ( 1 Corinthians 3:16 ).
He builds the temple, and it is a spiritual one, not a physical one ( 1 Peter 2:5 ).

The Old Testament Law of Moses and its elements are gone, replaced by a living relationship with the living God through His Spirit within us, and based on the work of His Son on our behalf ( Colossians 2:13-14 ).

We worship Him in Spirit and in truth ( John 4:24 ).

The Gospel is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, not John Smythe, and it does not belong to the Catholic Church.
It belongs to the Lord, and He uses it to call His people out of every tongue, tribe and nation from under Heaven, and from all the ends of the earth.

It is the Gospel, and it existed centuries before what we now know as the Catholic Church ever came into being.

We believe and accept that Christ is risen, and that the cross had a purpose...
To cleanse us from our sins and to reconcile a people that God has chosen for Himself, to Him.

We don't dwell there, nor do we permanently immortalize and try to capture one moment of His suffering for us in an image.
We've moved beyond that to where He is now....

Sitting at the right hand of our Father, making intercession for us.
Triumphant over sin, death and Hell, and waiting to rule as He rightfully should.

We also wait as patiently as possible to see Him again.

May He bless you greatly, sir.