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Should Baptists use Confessions and Creeds?
- Thread starter Yeshua1
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We read it before the church every so often (quarterly?). That was also in the covenant.
On and on Y1 drivels nonsense. Baptists are not "good" because "we have a big tent."
Only those God put into Christ, based on crediting their faith as righteousness, are blameless and holy before Him.
Bologna
Have you seen this before, and what is your thought on this Confession?
http://www.thecontinuingwitness.com/uploads/9/8/2/3/98238342/john_gill_confession.pdf
Good for your church, as alas many seem to be ignorant of even what their church actually believes and why!
well, look at heresies of the WoF and other aberrant so called christian theologies, don't see too many reformed or Confessing Baptists caught up in that!
On and on Y1 posts utter nonsense. Did anyone say our faith has "inherit saving quality in and of itself?" Nope - yet another deflection to derail discussion. Did Y1 provide a verse that says Christ's righteousness is imputed to believers? Nope - so yet another obviously false claim by the proponent of falsehoods.
well, even as great a baptist as Spurgeon created his own catechisms to teach bible to his children!
Then why did they agree to belong in the first place?
fellowship and family setting many times!
Wrong reason. Better answer: To serve the Lord.
Yes, but was answering question why many do attend church!
Dave G
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I agree, to a great extent.
But I'd like to submit this:
Perhaps it is because they have something in common...
The Spirit of God in them, and a love for both Him and His word.
Creeds and confessions, while they may be useful, are only an extension of what a person or group believes about the Scriptures.
They can and often are used as a "litmus test" to determine what is often called "like faith", but since every child of God is in a state of "flux" and growing in both grace and knowledge, what the Bible describes as the criteria for His sheep are all that I believe we should follow.
Added to that, I feel strongly that as believers, we really should be more interested in the attitude of those who profess Christ, and whether or not they receive His every word with readiness of mind and are willing to obey them and live by them.
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Dave G
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I'd say that most who attend what are modeled as New Testament churches these days, do so to hear the teachings of men who grab their attention with sensationalism, rigid and empty religious ceremony, or warm and fuzzy sermons designed to tickle the ears.
Very few that I know of who profess Christ are actually willing to take everything their pastors are teaching them back to the Bible and check it against that.
Very few who I have contact with are wiling to sit down and listen to Biblical correction, rebuke, or admonishment...
and very few that I meet even know what sound doctrine actually consists of.
Then there's the matter of what "attending church" is supposed to be ( the building up of God's people in doctrine, as well as their growth in both knowledge and grace, see the epistles ), versus what it has become... a leavened lump, doctrinally, and Sunday entertainment for the masses ( that's why it's often referred to as a "worship service" and not a gathering or an assembly ).
Creeds and confessions may be a useful tool in order to display "menu choices" on a list of local "churches" ( to me, there's a big difference between a false "church" with a false teacher, and a true church with the true Teacher )... but without the Spirit of God in someone, there will never be actual koinonia...the fellowship of the saints.
You'll know it when you find it.
It's goes something like this:
Not only will all involved come to an agreement with each other over time on all matters of Scripture, they will exhibit the things that are described in the Bible...
They will love one another, and give of themselves to and for one another.
Two or more people who worship the Lord in both spirit and truth are what it's all about... and when they get together, their conversation revolves around Him and His words, what He has shown to them about Himself and what they are learning by His grace;
Their trials and tribulations in this world, and their difficulties...their joys and sorrows and their gratitude at being saved.
Not worldly interests like baseball games and hot rods, or fishing and movies or even their favorite preachers and teachers.
I wish you well, sir.
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Do you attend a local assembly, being taught under a man of God?I'd say that most who attend what are modeled as New Testament churches these days, do so to hear the teachings of men who grab their attention with sensationalism, rigid and empty religious ceremony, or warm and fuzzy sermons designed to tickle the ears.
Very few that I know of who profess Christ are actually willing to take everything their pastors are teaching them back to the Bible and check it against that.
Very few who I have contact with are wiling to sit down and listen to Biblical correction, rebuke, or admonishment...
and very few that I meet even know what sound doctrine actually consists of.
Then there's the matter of what "attending church" is supposed to be ( the building up of God's people in doctrine, as well as their growth in both knowledge and grace, see the epistles ), versus what it has become... a leavened lump, doctrinally, and Sunday entertainment for the masses ( that's why it's often referred to as a "worship service" and not a gathering or an assembly ).
Creeds and confessions may be a useful tool in order to display "menu choices" on a list of local "churches" ( to me, there's a big difference between a false "church" with a false teacher, and a true church with the true Teacher )... but without the Spirit of God in someone, there will never be actual koinonia...the fellowship of the saints.
You'll know it when you find it.
It's goes something like this:
Not only will all involved come to an agreement with each other over time on all matters of Scripture, they will exhibit the things that are described in the Bible...
They will love one another, and give of themselves to and for one another.
Two or more people who worship the Lord in both spirit and truth are what it's all about... and when they get together, their conversation revolves around Him and His words, what He has shown to them about Himself and what they are learning by His grace;
Their trials and tribulations in this world, and their difficulties...their joys and sorrows and their gratitude at being saved.
Not worldly interests like baseball games and hot rods, or fishing and movies or even their favorite preachers and teachers.
I wish you well, sir.
Dave G
Well-Known Member
Do you find it mandatory for a believer to be subject to the traditional church model that has gradually crept in over the past 2,000 years, or are we subject to the biblical model as found in Acts and the epistles?
Next question:
Does "man of God" describe nothing more than a fellow believer, albeit more spiritually mature... or do you subscribe to the idea of "paid clergy" and the believer needing a singular pastor ( similar to the Catholic model of a "priest" which is a direct adoption of the Old Testament Law )?
Study His word, Dave...
I think you'll find a big difference between what is described in the Old Testament with regard to the Law of Mose and its adherents being under a high priest ( which represented Christ ), and for instance, the book of Acts and the epistles, where we as Christ's sheep are all equal under the new covenant and God gifts the body with a plurality of elders, deacons and other offices, like pastor and teacher.
The local assembly is composed of saved, baptized and confessing believers that are united by Christ's Spirit and His shed blood for them on the cross...not a building on a corner that pays lip service to it all, but in works and false doctrine they deny Him.
Again, I wish you well, sir.