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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by percho, May 5, 2020.

  1. Martin Marprelate

    Martin Marprelate Well-Known Member
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    I do. Who wants to flit about as a miserable ghost?
     
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    So will we all. It is my Biblical understandind, even as Christ died once on the cross (Romans 6:10, Hebrews 7:27, Hebrews 10:10), He only entered Heaven once (Hebrews 9:12) to be mediator (Hebrews 9:24) until He is to appear His second time, Hebrews 9:28.
     
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    A denial of Jesus' physical hodily resurrection is heresy, Luke 24:39, ". . . Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
     
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    I am not denying a physical spiritual body.
    The body of biological Adam died, and returned to dust. That is what Paul preached. That is what Jesus taught.

    You all are just interpreting Adam's sinful fleshly body as being eternal and salvageable. That is not possible. Some claim that resurrected Lazarus had to die again so this earthly fleshly body of Adam could be destroyed. Jesus was 100% God, a physical body that could not be destroyed. Jesus was also 100% human of Adam. That body returned to dust. "From dust thou art, and to dust shalt thou return." Everyone teaches and claims that. "This mortal must put on immortality," Paul.

    The soul of Jesus met the eternal body in Paradise that day, "today thou shalt be with me in Paradise." The thief and Jesus went, that day, not 3 days later. Else, Jesus would have told the thief, "in 3 days we will be in Paradise."

    Paradise was not in sheol. Jesus called that place Abraham's bosom, not Adam's Garden/Paradise. Paradise is the Persian word Garden. Paradise was in heaven still being blocked by an angel with a flaming sword. No one could get in until the Atonement on the cross, except for the thief. Jesus sent him there when the thief died. Jesus was God.
     
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    Who is doing that? Quote what was actually said.

    Sheol had two places according to Moses and the prophecy of david, Luke 16:31, Deuteronomy 32:22, Psalms 86:13.
     
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    The post I quoted called my post heretical. Otherwise I would not have had the post you quoted.

    Sheol had two places with an Abyss between, that is what Jesus said, Abraham's bosom and hell/fire torment.
     
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    No. I said, "A denial of Jesus' physical hodily resurrection is heresy, Luke 24:39, '. . . Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.'"

    And you falsely claimed others, "interpreting Adam's sinful fleshly body as being eternal and salvageable."
     
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    You quoted post #14.

    The point is that you are claiming that just like Adam's body is eternal, you claim the dead body of Jesus on the Cross is eternal. Neither are eternal, and neither will have a bodily resurrection. They both return to dust. They are not changed. Most bodies are probably dust that has been incorporated into so many changes, and even going through the processes of multiple humans and animals over and over again. Only the soul is what remains.

    Post one verse that claims there are human bodies currently at this moment in heaven. I will add one more variable/chance to post a verse showing dead bodies that once were alive on earth are in hell, or whatever you call that place.


    I said that claiming a body of flesh can enter heaven is also a heresy. You are claiming the wrong body of Jesus as the one currently in use. The physical body that rose from the dead is the God body. The Adam body was placed in the tomb, never to be restored, glorified, but turned into dust and gone. Both bodies had nails holding the body to the cross, and both bodies had a spear go through their side. God's body went to heaven period.

    If a person denies either the humanity of Jesus or that Jesus was God, they will not have two bodies going two different places. Sure they will have to figure out a single body and what it does.
     
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    I would rather see you all's thoughts concerning my concept of the righteousness of God relative to the last sentence in Arthur King's post.
     
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    I have been pointing out what happened on the cross, and how that answers your concept of righteousness. Only God could be the Lamb that God required to restore Adam's disobedience. But there is never going to be a restored body. Jesus' soul did not die, nor did Adam's or any one else's. That only happens to those who reject God and God being the only Lamb acceptable to God.

    But it was not just Adam's body or soul the cross accomplished. It was the restoration of the image of God. The spirit of man. That is not going to happen until the 5th and 6th seal of Revelation 6. The Righteousness of God is the God given body of light, whereby all will be just as God is. Bodies of dust will be no more. It will be a body from Heaven and God. It is called the white robe, the glorified body given to Adam and The sons of God in Genesis 1:27. This is the full image of God that covers the body of dust.
     
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    I made no such claim.
     
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    Ok, then you agree, the body in the tomb turned to dust and disappeared. There was no bodily resurrection from the tomb. That is settled. We can move on.
     
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