Featured Thinking about the Atonement or Reconciliation

Why did the Jews have to legally do it?

I agree it was determined that He should die on a cross (I said this several times). But that does not explain the reason.

What I am saying, @Martin Marprelate , has noting to do with Roman law or demonstrating to the crowd that Jesus was considered accursed by the Jewish leadership. I am asking about the Atonement itself. Why was it determined that He should die on a cross?

Christus Victor is clear not only on Christ's suffering and death but on the type of death that Christ had to die. It had to be a cross at the hands of the Romans (not just because that was secular law but because of the atonement itself).

 

Thank you. I just deleted it instead of working through the mess. If I need to clarify anything for you let me know, but I think the posts afterwards covered that post.

Must be a fat finger on the keyboard day for me

 

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I believe you know Christus Victor does not claim the Romans alone guilty of Christ's death.

The point is Christ died at the hands of wicked men, given over by the Jews. But under the power of the secular government rather than God's law.

 

Jesus died under the wages of sin, which is death. His death was under the powers of this world. Christ did not die by the wrath of God (that idea is not in the Bible).

 

Yes. But Isaiah 53 spoke of Jesus (it was a foretelling of Christ and the Cross). We cannot say that Jesus came and just followed the Old Testament verses about Him. Jesus did come to fulfill the Law, but the Old Testament is ABOUT Christ (not the other way around).

Why do you believe that it was necessary that Christ suffer the Cross instead of dying in another public way on any type of "tree"?

 

Is that what you believe I posted?

If so, please take another look at my post.

 

Nothing. I believe Christ did suffer wrath - just not the wrath of God.

The reason is not that it would be "bad" if He did suffer the wrath of God. The reason is Scripture does not attribute God as pouring His wrath on Jesus. What makes the idea bad is it replaces biblical atonement with a mythology based on human philosophy.

 

No. I am not. Like a "sheep led to the slaughter".

No one took His life except He gave it willingly. And it was by God's predetermined plan. Some like to forget, though, that He died not by the hand of God but by the hands "of wicked men".

We can't leave any of that out. We also should not add to it.