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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Iconoclast, Jul 19, 2020.

  1. Yeshua1

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    It is not consustent with Arminian theology, and those are really the only 2 ways to view biblcal salvation!
    And to bad theology!
     
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    Hint.... Any time you say "there are only two ways" you are most likely wrong.

    Here you are, in fact, wrong. There are many ways to view biblical salvation. There is only one correct view.

    One does not have to hold to Arminianism if one rejects Calvinism.
     
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    Many Arminians talk about synergy in regard to salvation, so it's true that many do not affirm monergism. What I pointed out was that only God can account or reckon faith as righteousness (Rom. 4:5). Even in the Arminian scheme, God's reckoning of our faith is 100% his choice. He is under no obligation save believers. Would you agree?

    This is why I don't believe that classical Arminians need to identify as synergists. If the reckoning of faith is 100% of God, then salvation is 100% of God.
     
  4. Barry Johnson

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    Monergism ( made up word ) and synergism do not help except in philosophy. The bible says that it pleases God to save those that believe. The issue is biblical authority and what does God say .
     
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    I find it a very helpful word in theological discussions.
     
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    I disagree with the O.P. and that, not of my own free will.
     
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    what other way can there actually be then for the process of God saving us?
     
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    Both terms are useful!
     
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    Many of them would see faith as being part of saving grace, but they would still see us making the final decision, based upon "free will"
     
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    what does that even mean ? 100% of God and salvation 100% ? what if God said to be saved you had to pat your head and rub your tummy to be saved ?...If the bible said this we would do it ..The bible says to access the grace is by faith .
     
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    As I said, even if we do make a synergistic decision on faith, it still gets us nowhere. God is not obligated to save believers. He even calls them ungodly.

    Rom. 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,​

    This accounting is 100% of God. We have no say in it. God chose to condemn ungodly unbelievers and save ungodly believers. His choice, alone, from eternity past.
     
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    I don't know. A few are Calvinism, Arminianism, Amyraldianism, Pelaganism, Wesleyan Arminianism, Orthodox views, Roman Catholic views, the Anabaptistic position (which is very close to Armianism).

    I guess there are many ways people view the process of God saving us. There would have been less if Scripture was a bit more specific. But hey, then we would not be having all this fun. :Wink
     
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    Whos faith is counted for righteousness in that verse ?
     
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    Virtually all Arminians Calvinists and in between, in my experience, affirm that God gets 100% of the credit for our salvation. If you disagree, and are fighting for some credit, that's very concerning.
     
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    Arminism is just another off shoot of Calvernism . It shares the same view of the T in ( TULIP) The work around is previenient grace . Found no where in the bible.
     
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    Fair enough. Do you believe you deserve partial credit for your salvation?
     
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    Ephesians 2 ,8and 9 is crystal clear that salvation is a free gift . And in 1 cor 1 .21 its clear how God has chosen to save .
    21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
     
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    21For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
    what do you make of this verse ?
     
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    Do you believe you deserve partial credit for your salvation? It's a very simple question.
     
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