The Pre-incarnate Christ

Obviously, the Apostles’ Creed is a summary of the ideas we can see in the NT but it does not directly quote from any NT book. The Nicene Creed on the other hand - the original Greek version, at least - quotes from or alludes to different NT books:

And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the son of God, the Only-Begotten; …] born, not made, consubstantial with the Father; “through whom all things came to be (John 1:3);” who, for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and “became flesh” (John 1:14) by the Holy Spirit and Mary the virgin, and became man, and crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and buried; and rose again “on the third day according to the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:4),” and ascended to heaven, and sits “at the right hand of” the Father (Mark 16:19); and will again come in glory “to judge the living and the dead” (1 Peter 4:5); “of whose kingdom there will be no end (Luke 1:33);” and in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Life-giver, “who comes from the Father” (John 15:26) …] I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins (cf. Acts 2:38)

 

I believe in God the Father almighty;
and in Christ Jesus His only Son, our Lord,
who was born from the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary,
who under Pontius Pilate was crucified and buried,
on the third day rose again from the dead,
ascended to heaven,
sits at the right hand of the Father,
whence He will come to judge the living and the dead;
and in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Church,
the remission of sins,
the resurrection of the flesh
(the life everlasting).

This Creed itself is based on the ancient custom of asking candidates three questions when they are to be baptized (“Do you believe in God the Father almighty?” “Do you believe in Jesus Christ, (etc.)?” “Do you believe in the Holy Spirit, (etc.)?”) Perhaps the creed was originally devised for use by catechists - to teach the candidates what they are to believe in - or by the candidates - so that they know what to recite back. Early Christians ever since the beginning (cf. 1 Corinthians 3:15-17) already had the habit of summarizing the basic tenets of their faith in a declaratory form, professing belief in one or more of the persons of the Trinity.

Early Christians had two things: the so-called ‘Rule of Faith’ and the Creed. Both share much of the same contents, but they differ in function: the ‘Rule of Faith’ is a summary of the preaching and teaching, while the latter is a declaratory affirmation of faith. While the ‘Rule of Faith’ can be worded differently, creeds usually had a fixed wording probably because they had a liturgical function.

 

You seem to lean towards Nestorianism. I refuse to accommodate that position and stick to the Symbol of Chalcedon. So make out of it what you want but Nestorianism is found to be heresy when saying Jesus Christ is fully man instead of saying he has a fully human nature. Paul defines man as having a body, soul, and spirit which would give Jesus two persons instead of the person God only.

 

If a teacher is proven true in what he says. You can trust his summary of what the scriptures say. And be found a heretic if you disagree.

 

How can they be over the scriptures? Without the scriptures, they would not exist.

 

This is not true. God is one Spirit indivisible.
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” Colossians 2:9 (NCPB)

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” Matthew 28:19 (NCPB)

“Then Peter said unto them, ‘Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” Acts 2:38 (NCPB)

Notice God's name is Jesus Christ in Trinity.

 

You are preaching the Oneness Heresy.

 

1) None of those creeds are the word of God.
Where do I disagree with them? Quote me and the portion of one of those creeds where I differ.
The New Testament documents are the sole written Apostolic authority, not any of the the creeds.

There are some places in some of the creeds I know I disagree with.

For the record, I hold according to the New Testament there are three distinct Persons who are each in some way referred to, to be God. Philosophically God cannot not be and cannot not be three distinct persons.

 

One person of the persons. God's name is His Hebrew name, Exodus 20:2, "I am the LORD thy God, . . ." And Jesus said, as it is recorded in John 5:43, "I am come in my Father's name, . . ." Isaiah 45:5, " I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: . . ."

 

Jesus Christ = God our salvation anointed. God is the trinity.
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” Colossians 2:9 (NCPB)

 

So you are a heretic if you deny the three distinct persons of the Godhead. And call yourself Baptist to boot?

 

So you claim Jesus Christ to be three distinct persons? That is the Trinity.

 

Are you "Oneness"?

 

Your claim = the symbol of Chalcedon leans towards Docetism. Because I do not stray from their statement.

 

It would seem you cannot understand what I write. I explicitly stated in other words, that God is one and there aera three distinct persons who are that one God.

 

" Holy, Holy, Holy. God in three persons, blessed trinity"

 

Sayanora John C. I might check back on some of your posts in the future.....