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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Alex2165, Aug 31, 2020.

  1. Barry Johnson

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    reverence and awe . Not fear .
     
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    AMEN SGO
     
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    You clearly don't read the Old Testament.
     
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    Now you reveal the truth about yourself Barry, who you truly are.

    GOD commanded us to FEAR Him, but you HAVE NO FEAR OF GOD!

    Jeremiah 5.22
    22.Do you not fear Me? Says the Lord. Do you not TREMBLE before Me? I placed the sand as a boundary for the sea, a perpetual barrier that it cannot pass, though the waters toss, they cannot prevail, though they roar, they cannot pass over it.

    At first I though you are some kind of psycho, but you actually godless, and this is why you so easy twisting and bending my messages and fabricate meaning that is not exist in my posts.

    Well, in this case I will take you for who you are, and will treat you as the ordinary unbeliever.

    In your posts you use such words as "grace" "truth" and "love." And you posted some statements from New Testament about these exceptional qualities, which are all true, but do not relate to the theme I posted.

    Can you post a statement, or verse, or some passage that rejects fear of GOD or make it unnecessary. Just like I did when I posted many verses from the OT and NT revealing that FEAR OF GOD is necessity for every true Christian.

    I have a couple of questions for you.

    Can you define the definition of these words you often use "grace" "truth" and "love."? How these words expressing themselves in life of the Christian?

    And I tell you even more, I am a living example of that the FEAR OF GOD can do to a man, it prevented me from many temptations, adultery, cheating, stealing, and many other sins and put my life on the godly track, since when I never look back.

    Of course you perhaps was born a "perfect" Christian Barry, and the FEAR OF GOD not for you, you are already "perfect" and you have nothing to fear.

    But I am far from perfection, but FEAR OF GOD changed my life completely. Before I do anything, first I think of GOD, how He would react on my thought, word, or action, and only then I make my decision to act.


    The verse below is written about me.

    Proverbs 16.6
    6.”By loyalty and faithfulness iniquity is atoned for, and by the fear of the Lord one avoids evil.”



    The verse below written about those who has no FEAR OF GOD, and because of it they have no knowledge of the Word of GOD, despise wisdom written in the Bible, and ignore instruction of GOD. They are called as fools, and I completely agree with that assessment.

    Proverbs 1.7.28-29
    7.The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, fools despise wisdom and instruction.

    28.Then they will call upon me but I will not answer, they will seek me diligently but will not find me.

    29.Because they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the Lord.




    Revelation of John 14.6-7
    6.Then I saw another angel flying in mid Heaven with an eternal Gospel to proclaim to those who live on the Earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people.

    7.He said in a loud voice, Fear GOD and give Him glory, the hour of His judgment has come, and worship Him Who made Heaven and Earth, the sea and the springs of water.’



    If all of it do not convince you Barry, then nothing will.
     
  5. Barry Johnson

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    You clearly have not noticed God isn't exacting out punishment on Sin like in the OT today . The ground is not opening up and swallowing believers , Christians are not being killed because of murmuring and picking up sticks. Believers today don't need the veil , the temple, the sacrifices. Preachers are not glowing at the face from being the mediator for the congregation on Sunday mornings. He's certainly not carrying around tablets of stone and breaking them because the church laid on a concert in his absence.
     
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    And your doing it again . More false teaching .
    Jeremiah is talking about ISRAEL . Context is key . You have twisted the verse for your own ends . Or you are ignorant as to recognise how to understand a verse or passage. A lot of Christians read them selves into every verse . I see you doing this repeatedly. Clumsy bible reading .

    Never use a proverb for doctrine . More clumsy bible reading .

    Revelation 14 . 6-7 is this now? More clumsy bible reading .
    Let's stick to the text and not name call .
    When reading a passage, try asking ' why , when , who , and what ? Sloppy bible study leads to heresy.
     
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    ///But I am far from perfection,//// The standard is perfection. If your trying to appease God by your works and behaviour then it needs to perfect like Jesus . Fail in one point ,that's it . God is not interested in 65 % . He's only interested in the righteousness of Christ .
     
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    /// At first I though you are some kind of psycho, but you actually godless,
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    and will treat you as the ordinary unbeliever/// I'm feeling the love here lol
     
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    ////Can you define the definition of these words you often use "grace" "truth" and "love."? How these words expressing themselves in life of the Christian?////
    Grace :
    Eph 2.8
    8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we walk in them.
    ////Can you define the definition of these words you often use "grace" "truth" and "love."? How these words expressing themselves in life of the Christian?////
    Grace : Titus 2 .
    11¶For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
    12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
    13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
    2 Corinthians 12:9 - And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

    Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

    John 1:16 - And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace
    Acts 20:24 - But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

    Romans 3:24 - Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
     
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    Truth ?
    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
    2.tim.2 15
    And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
    1 john 5 .20


    John 8:32 - And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

    John 16:13 - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
     
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    Love ( charity ) ?
    John 15:13 - Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. ' serving ' rather than to be served .
    1 Corinthians 13:13 - And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these [is] charity.
    Fear ? Something you have no clue about , apart from legalism and a works based mind set which condemns rather than ' the goodness of God leads to repentence ' .

    Hebrews 11 By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear , prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith
    . Noah was motivated by the biblical notion of ' Godly fear ' .
     
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    Do you think Jesus dying for the sins of the world ,reconcilng the world and To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
    has anything to do with the Difference between OT and NT ? As far as I'm aware there will be no world wide flood again, Tower of babel ect . But there will be a dramatic end of course. Not to mention the Great trib.
     
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    God does not change. He is the same, yesterday, today and forever.
    While we do not fear losing our position with our Father who adopted us, we do respectfully fear his discipline when we act contrary to His will as the Patriarch of the family. We represent our Father and that representative role is serious business.
    To walk around, pridefully thinking we can do whatever we will and our Father won't discipline us is utterly foolish. Our fear of God is a healthy recognition of His Sovereignty over our lives. We should never be flippant about our position with God.
     
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    Is the entire world saved, Barry? Does the entire world sit back and do anything it wills because God's grace is greater than our sins? Perhaps you should re-read Romans 6 once again.
    God will burn the world by fire, Barry. Read Peter's letters.
     
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    He is going to. No one whom God has saved has recieved the adoption as yet, Romans 8:23.
     
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    @Alex2165,
    The Apostle Peter taught we should fear God, 1 Peter 2:17. The Apostle Paul wrote, 2 Corinthians 5:11, "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; . . ." So what I would like to hear from you is what would you explain to someone as to how to know God and know for sure about when one dies one would be present with the Lord Jesus in Heaven?
     
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    Please help me understand. In saying we must fear God, does that mean we must cower before Him?

    No Abba,Father for us?

    " And because ye are sons,
    God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts,
    crying, Abba, Father."
    Galatians 4:6

    It must really mean "crying".
     
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    This has been addressed elsewhere. You were proved wrong there. No need to discuss your false claim here.
     
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    I have addressed this in my posts.
    Even though I feared my father's anger if I disobeyed or misrepresented the family, yet I always knew he loved me and I called him father.
    Fear and love are not polar opposites that cannot abide in unity.
     
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    Making a false assertion does not make it so. Romans 8:23 has not been refuted. The Apostle Paul is the sole user of that term in the NT.
     
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