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According to @Van, humans can thwart others from coming to Him.

 

As a non-Dispensationalist, I say that is the case.

 

K

Nope.

The “universal church” (invisible church) does certainly come to Christ, but the current Jerusalem is not friendly to the gospel. It tolerates tourists, but absolutely no mission work in which believers openly carry the gospel to the lost.

The “heavenly Jerusalem” is that which is yet to be revealed when the earth and heavens vanish followed by the final judgement.

1Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them, 4and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.”

5And He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” And He said, “Write, for these words are faithful and true.” 6Then He said to me, “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. 7“He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son.8“But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

9Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and spoke with me, saying, “Come here, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.”

10And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,11having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper. 12It had a great and high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels; and names were written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel. 13There were three gates on the east and three gates on the north and three gates on the south and three gates on the west.14And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

15The one who spoke with me had a gold measuring rod to measure the city, and its gates and its wall. 16The city is laid out as a square, and its length is as great as the width; and he measured the city with the rod, fifteen hundred miles; its length and width and height are equal. 17And he measured its wall, seventy-two yards, according to human measurements, which are also angelic measurements. 18The material of the wall was jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass. 19The foundation stones of the city wall were adorned with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation stone was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, chalcedony; the fourth, emerald; 20the fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, topaz; the tenth, chrysoprase; the eleventh, jacinth; the twelfth, amethyst. 21And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; each one of the gates was a single pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass.

22I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it. 25In the daytime (for there will be no night there) its gates will never be closed; 26and they will bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it; 27and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
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This is that which all nations come to.

 

Did you not read that every place in which the demonic have been is to be destroyed? That He makes all things new, that the nations are drawn yo that place?

 

Once again a Calvinist denies Matthew 23:13, indicating Van and not Jesus made the statement.

None of the posting Calvinists will address any of the truths of scripture showing Calvinism is bogus. But they will post falsehood after falsehood to obscure that truth.
Matthew 23:13
“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

The Calvinist claims these are my words in Red, not the words of Jesus. On and on, falsehood after falsehood.

According to this verse, those who are entering had to have some spiritual ability, teaching therefore total spiritual inability, the T of the TULIP is false doctrine.
And according to this verse, those who are entering were not being compelled by Irresistible Grace, because they did not go in. Thus more proof the I of the TULIP is false doctrine.
So they try to change the subject to my opinion. Go figure

 

Who listens to Van!?!

 

Once again a Calvinist denies Matthew 23:13, indicating Van and not Jesus made the statement.

None of the posting Calvinists will address any of the truths of scripture showing Calvinism is bogus. But they will post falsehood after falsehood to obscure that truth.
Matthew 23:13
“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

The Calvinist claims these are my words in Red, not the words of Jesus. On and on, falsehood after falsehood.

According to this verse, those who are entering had to have some spiritual ability, teaching therefore total spiritual inability, the T of the TULIP is false doctrine.
And according to this verse, those who are entering were not being compelled by Irresistible Grace, because they did not go in. Thus more proof the I of the TULIP is false doctrine.
So they try to change the subject to my opinion. Go figure

 

Two very different actions are conflated with the phrase "come to Jesus." One action, where an individual responds to the call and draw of the gospel, and puts their faith in God and His Redeemer. The other action is where God alone transfers an individual from the realm of darkness into the kingdom of His Beloved Son.

John 6:37 refers to the action of God giving an individual to Christ because they end up inside of Christ, because Christ promises to not cast them out. Calvinists of course cannot discern this obvious truth, so they bang on and on.

 

Yet another Calvinist denies those entering the kingdom have anything to do with coming to Jesus. I kid you not.

 

I don’t think so. There is a specific end to salvation being available.

Remember the prophecy John could not reveal?

Within that area is John’s record of the termination of the gospel.

I’ll have to get the specific reference verse, later, but perhaps between now and then someone else will provide it.

Earlier there is a call of “how long” and the answer goes something like until the last person to be redeemed is redeemed.

There is a specific end to redemption.