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Featured Has California Told Christians, including John MacArthur, to Sin

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Steven Yeadon, Sep 16, 2020.

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  1. Steven Yeadon

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    This is very simple. Evangelicals have long argued that the best way to interpret Romans 13, which teaches obedience to governing powers, is to disobey those powers only in the case of a command to sin against God. In Ancient Rome, the command to sacrifice to idols by all its people was one reason people were even martyred for refusing to sin, by sacrificing to such idols.

    Has the State of California ordered Christians to sin against God by having outdoor services? If you think so, or think not, then please explain your reasoning vis-a-vis whether we have been told to sin or not.
     
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    No. But IMHO churches (congregations, assemblies) have become too dependent on infrastructure and professional/ business models and restrictions hamper operations.
     
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    So what is the alternative?
     
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    This brings up a good point, if a lockdown is so severe churches go out of business for lack of funds, then is obeying the government a sin against God?
     
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    I don't know. I guess congregations living in community. What do they do in places where they do not have church buildings?

    I'm not sure, @Salty, of a solution. But I keep thinking resources could be used better.
     
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    1. A church is not a business.
    2. A building is not a church.

    Rob
     
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    That's the mess we are in. Many churches have already failed as it ceased to function during the Pandemic (during a situation where historically churches were very active).
     
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    Exactly. But what is the church without its building and business structure? That is my concern here.
     
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    Have you listened to John explain it for himself?
    He plainly says he is defying a command from Ceasar to disobey God.
     
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    We are commanded to gather together.
     
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    Actually, we are told not to forsake gathering together.

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    Not forsake means to do.
     
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    I agree with it is not a busness

    Now - the Church is the organization of the group of people
    but in additions
    a church is also a building (secondary meaning)
    Yes, I realize that in the Bible - Church always refers to the organization
     
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    The lockdown is a crime.
     
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    This is a verse taken out of context. Read the context. Notice what happens to the forsakers.

    Audience relevance is often overlooked here.
     
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    1) A church SHOULD NOT be a business.
    2) A building is not THE church.
     
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    In each and every situation, Faith goes along way with God. God is Sovereign and everything we do should be based on that fact. The just shall live by Faith.
     
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    Little miss can't be wrong.

    :Biggrin
     
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