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Believe me when I say that I'm engaging everything that you are saying, sir.

Goodbye, Barry...
I wish you well.

 

Again. if your interested on the ' message of reconciliation ' I will be happy to engage on there . I'm genuinely wanting to go through those verses and if someone has an argument from the scriptures, I'm happy to be corrected . Let me know where I'm wrong on that thread about ' reconciled ' ect ..From the scriptures and not from ' credulity ' or ' logical necessity.

 

Avoidance as ever .

 

Your theology points others in a different direction, which is good.

 

Not with scripture.
Observe, question, interpret and apply. Let's try this on entire passages so we see context. I actually dare you to do this.

 

Every time you will fall into syllogism and inductive reasoning , without fail . Set the timer ...go !

 

Indeed, Barry's op has been addressed and Barry has resorted to "Calvin" as a crutch to avoid scripture. He does this often as a means of avoiding what God declares. It is time to dust off the sandals and walk away.

 

Dave is the ' phantom ' responder . He never goes through anything. Its like a missle drop and fly by .

 

There is no Gospel( Good news ) in Calvinism to point anyone to .

 

I do not interpret scripture I let scripture interpret it self. Bet you didn't know it could do that. I take scripture literally. I can not add to it or ignore any of it the way you do through your interpretation. The Bible says not to add or take away from it. This is what you do with your interpretations.
MB

 

' keep reading ' principle .
Revelation 20
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Notice why they are cast into the lake of fire ? whosoever was not found written in the book of life .
Question how is a person found or not found written in that book ( singular ) ?
The clue has something to do with being in Christ or not . Even you as a calvinist cannot argue that a person is found or not found in that ' book ' based on if He believed on Jesus ,death , burial and resurrection or not . I believe that's the reason why some will be in hell . Because they refused to believe the truth so as to be saved .

 

Dave G

I understand what you believe. I am asking you to address 1Cor 1:21.

....God was well pleased, through the foolishness of the message preached, to save those who believe...

Scripture, here, makes a direct connection between the preaching of the gospel and salvation. In fact, this is God’s plan to bring salvation to His people.

Would you answer this? Is the preaching of the gospel necessary for salvation? If it is, how is that not contrary to your stated belief we are saved in eternity past?

peace to you

 

I see that the Gospel is God's means to notify His people of their salvation.

It is not an offer, but a promise given only to the "whosoever believeth".
I also see that it is necessary for God's word to be believed and trusted...
for without it, God's people would never know of the things that are freely given to them.

That said, I've decided that what I've stated thus far is as far as I'm going to pursue this.
It's time I took a break from this forum, and perhaps a long one.

I've recognized the hard way that me discussing what I believe only leads to misunderstandings and arguments, of which I grow increasingly grieved in my Spirit about.
Thanks for considering my posts and what they contain, and I wish all of you well.

 

That is false. You certainly interpret, but you ignore context and thus take one sentence to mean whatever you want it to mean.
Here's an example of a verse out of context:

Luke 4:7 If you, then, will worship me, it will all be yours.”

The funny thing is that Barry likes what you say. Two peas...

 

I didn't know that this is your favorite verse. No thanks I'm not even tempted by your false doctrines.
MB

 

You cannot have saving Grace with out the Faith for it to come through.
Eph 2:8
MB

 

I Cor 1:21 does not say the gospel was God’s plan to notify His people they were saved in eternity past.

It says God is well pleased, through the foolishness of the message preached, to save those who believe.

Is the gospel necessary for salvation?

You said the gospel is necessary to notify His people are saved. That is not biblical, and quite frankly, borders on heresy because you deny the gospel is necessary for salvation.

If people are saved in eternity past, why did Jesus die at an appointed time in God’s plan?

peace to you