The Virgin Conception in The Gospel of John

[SavedByGrace]

"Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:13)

Instead of the reading in the Greek, "ἐγεννήθησαν" (were born), which is in the plural. There is very strong eary textual evidence, as I have shown below, for the singluar reading, "ἐγεννήθη", which does not refer to believers, but to the Lord Jesus Christ. This corruption was made at a very early time, as the Church father Tertullian shows, by the heretic Valentinians.The early evidence from both the Greek and Latin, shows that the singular reading was part of the Greek New Testament in the first century A.D., and older than any of the Greek manuscripts that have come down to us.

Further, the fact that verse 12 actually ends with the words, "εις το ονομα αυτου" (literally, in Name His), where "αυτου", is in the singular, better suits the singular reading, which follows on.

Another interesting fact is, that the words, "nor of the will of man", is not in the Greek the word, "ἄνθρωπος", which is a generic word, and can include both the "man and woman" (humankind). But, John is very specific, when he uses the Greek, "ἀνδρός", which is singular and masculine, "father". ALL humans are born from both the mother and father, and for which John would have used, "ἀνθρώπων", which is the plural. The fact that he used the singular, masculine, so to remove any reference to any human "mother", can only mean that the wished to show that the Lord Jesus Christ's Virgin Conception (Birth) was meant.

The order of the words in verse 13 in the Greek is important. The English versions have "which were born", at the start of the verse. In fact, the words, "εκ θεου εγεννηθησαν" are at the end of this verse. Literally translated, "out of God was begotten". That is, God the Holy Spirit. Which is exactly what Matthew 1:18, " Now the birth of Jesus Christ happened this way: When his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found to be with child of the Holy Spirit"; and Luke 1:35, "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Spirit shall come upon you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that Holy Child which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God".

In Matthew 1:16, we read in the Greek, "μαριας εξ ης εγεννηθη ιησους ο λεγομενος χριστος", "Mary out of whom was born Jesus, Who is called Christ". Here "ης" (whom) is in the singular, feminine, and excludes Joseph, even though he is mentioned in this verse. Likewise in Luke 1:35, as found in the KJV, we have the two words in the Greek, "ἐκ σοῦ" (out of you), where, like Matthew 1:16, is in the singular number, denoting that Jesus Christ was concevied in the womb of Mary, apart from Joseph.

1. IGNATIUS (A.D.35-107)

"Our Lord, that He is in truth of the family of David, according to the flesh; God's Son, by the will and power of God, truly born of a virgin" (to the Smyrnaeans; 1:1)

Although Ignatius does not quote the text verbatim, yet there can be no doubt that he had it in mind. If the reader were to compare this quotation with those of Justin, they will at once see that our text was indeed the basis of Ignatius' reference above. Most scholars would accept that Justin at least alludes to John 1:13, and since his language is similar to that of Ignatius, we can conclude that both writers knew of the singular reading.

Of the quotations made by Ignatius, for those of us who have read his works, it will be seen that his "references to the Gospels being in no case verbally exact" (Sir F Kenyon; Handbook to the Textual Criticism, p.209). This is not only the case in the Gospels, but can also be seen from some of his quotations from the other books of the New Testament. Let us take just two examples, where this can be seen. In his epistle to the Ephesians he writes: "You are imitators of God, and, having kindled your brotherly task by the blood of God, you completed it perfectly" (1:1); where the language is that of Acts 20:28, where Paul says: "the Church of God which He purchased with His own blood". And, remaining in his epistle to the Ephesians, we also read: "God was manifest as man" (19:3); which is language used by Paul, where he says: "God was manifested in the flesh" (1 Timothy 3:16). (see, Dr F H A Scrivener; A Plain Introduction to the Criticism of the New Testament, vol. II, pp.375-376, 393). Both these texts have now been corrupted, so as to weaken the testimony to the Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ!

2. JUSTIN MARTYR (A.D.100-165)

"His blood did not sprin from the seed of man, but from the will of God" (Dialogue Try 63.2)

"(the Scripture) has predicted that the blood of Christ would not be of the seed of man, but of the power of God" (Dial 54.2)

3. EPISTULA APOSTOLORUM (A.D.150)

"In God, the Lord, the Son of God, do we believe, that He is the Word become flesh; that of Mary the holy virgin He took a body, begotten of the Holy Spirit, 'not of the will (lust) of the flesh, but by the will of God'"

(M R James; The Apocryphal New Testament, p.486)

a. "originally written in Greek, perhaps in Asia Minor" (F Cross; The Early Christian Fathers, p.85)
b. "Author was familiar with all four Gospels, but influenced by the Gospel of John" (B H Streeter, The Four Gospels, p.70; B M Metzger, The Canon of the New Testament, pp.181-182)
c. “the Epistula Apostolorum…deals with such supernatural questions as the Incarnation and Ascension…in an explicitly anti-gnostic way, emphasizing the true flesh of Christ” (J D Douglas, ed. The New International Dictionary of the Christian Church, p.961)

4. IREANEUS, BISHOP OF LYONS (A.D.120-202)

a. "that He is Emmanuel, lest perchance we might consider Him as a mere man: 'for not of the will of the flesh, nor by the will of man, but by the will of God', was the Word made flesh" (Adver Her III. xvi.2)

b. "but He to Whom the Father, which is in heaven has revealed Him, knows Him; so that he understands that: 'He who was not born, either by the will of the flesh, or by the will of man', is the Son of man" (III xix.2)
c. "and for this reason in the last times, 'not by the will of the flesh, nor by the will of man', but by the good
pleasure of the Father" (On the Virgin Birth, V.i.3)

5. TERTULLIAN (A.D.150-220)

What, then, is the meaning of this passage, “Born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God?” I shall make more use of this passage after I have confuted those who have tampered with it. They maintain that it was written thus (in the plural) “Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God,” as if designating those who were before mentioned as “believing in His name,” in order to point out the existence of that mysterious seed of the elect and spiritual which they appropriate to themselves. But how can this be, when all who believe in the name of the Lord are, by reason of the common principle of the human race, born of blood, and of the will of the flesh, and of man, as indeed is Valentinus himself? The expression is in the singular number, as referring to the Lord, “He was born of God.” And very properly, because Christ is the Word of God, and with the Word the Spirit of God, and by the Spirit the Power of God, and whatsoever else appertains to God. As flesh, however, He is not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of man, because it was by the will of God that the Word was made flesh. To the flesh, indeed, and not to the Word, accrues the denial of the nativity which is natural to us all as men, because it was as flesh that He had thus to be born, and not as the Word. Now, whilst the passage actually denies that He was born of the will of the flesh, how is it that it did not also deny (that He was born) of the substance of the flesh? (on the flesh of Christ xix)

6. ORIGEN (A.D.185-254) - heretic (Latin translation)

According to Bruce M Metzger; A Textual Commentary on the Greek New Testament, p.196; and, Dr A Souter; Novvm Testamentvm Graece.

7. AMBROSE, BISHOP OF MALAN (A.D.339-397)

"qui non ex sanguine neque ex voluntate carnis, sed ex Deo natus sit" (C.S.E.L.; vol. lxiv, Explain. Psalm, xiii, 36:28-32; 37:2-5,p.96)

"ille ex sanguine concretus et ex cranis et viri voluntate generatus, iste ex Deo natus" (ibid; Psalm 48:1-4; p.364)

8. AUGUSTINE, BISHOP OF HIPPO (A.D.354-430)

"in like manner, I read that God the Word was born, 'not of flesh, nor of bloods, nor of the will of the man, nor
of the will of the flesh, but of God" (Confessions VII.ix.14)

John Chrysostom (349-407)

“Such was the birth of Christ, not of blood, nor of travail.” (Hom. Eph.xx)

8. THE LATIN CODEX VERONENSIS (b)- OLD LATIN (5th Century)

"qui natus est"

9. LIBER COMICUS (LECTIONARY) - (6th Century) - Latin

"qui non ex sanguinibui neque ex voluptate vire, sed ex Deo netus est"

10. JOHN OF DAMASCUS (A.D.675-740)

"and thus, she conceived the Son of God. The hypostatic power of the Father: 'not by the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man', that is to say, by connection and seed, but by the good pleasure of the Father, and cooperation of the Holy Spirit" (Exposition of the Orthodox Faith IV.xiv)

 

[Alan Gross]

No Scripture is of any private interpretation; meaning: comparing Scripture with Scriptures must cause every Scripture to match one another and fit like a hand in a glove, under the Leadership of The Holy Spirit.

In this case, a brief glance at the previous verse inundates and annihilates these
unmitigated wonderings, based on an, "s"(?)

With regard to Bible interpretation, there is a LOT to be SAID for READING.


John 1:12: "But as many as Received Him,
to them Gave He Power to Become the Sons of God,
even to them that believe on His Name:"


John 1:13

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/john-1-13.html

Which were born not of blood

Or bloods, in the plural number.

The birth, here spoken of, is regeneration, expressed by a being born again, or from above;

by a being quickened by the Spirit and grace of God;

by Christ being formed in men;

and by a partaking of the divine nature;

and by being made new creatures, as all that believe in the name of Christ are;

and which is the evidence of their being the sons of God: and now this is owing not to blood, or bloods;

not to the blood of circumcision;

or of the passover, which the Jews had an high opinion of, and ascribe life and salvation to, and to which notion this may be opposed: so their commentators F6 on ( Ezekiel 16:6 ) where the word "live" is twice used, observe on the first "live", by the blood of the passover, on the second "live", by the blood of circumcision;

but, alas! these contribute nothing to the life of the new creature: nor is regeneration owing to the blood of ancestors, to natural descent, as from Abraham, which the Jews valued themselves upon;

for sin, and not grace, is conveyed by natural generation: all men are of one blood, and that is tainted with sin, and therefore can never have any influence on regeneration;

no blood is to be valued, or any one upon it, but the blood of Christ, which cleanses from all sin.

Nor of the will of the flesh;

man's free will, which is carnal and corrupt, is enmity to God, and impotent to every thing that is spiritually good: regeneration is ascribed to another will and power, even to the will and power of God, and denied of this:

nor of the will of man:

of the best of men, as Abraham, David, and others;

who, though ever so willing and desirous, that their children, relations, friends, and servants, should be born again, be partakers of the grace of God, and live in his sight, yet cannot effect any thing of this kind: all that they can do is to pray for them, give advice, and bring them under the means of grace;

but all is ineffectual without a divine energy.

So with the Jews, (vya) , "a man", signifies a great man, in opposition to "Adam", or "Enosh", which signify a mean, weak, frail man; and our translators have observed this distinction, in ( Isaiah 2:9 ) and the mean man (Adam) boweth down, and the great man (Ish) "humbleth himself": on which Jarchi has this note, "Adam boweth down", i.e. little men; "and a man humbleth himself", i.e. princes, and mighty men, men of power: and so Kimchi on ( Psalms 4:2 ) .

"O ye sons of men", observes, that the Psalmist calls them the sons of men, with respect to the great men of Israel;

for there were with Absalom the sons of great men.

Though sometimes the Jews say F7, Adam is greater than any of the names of men, as Geber, Enosh, Ish.

But now our evangelist observes, let a man be ever so great, or good, or eminent, for gifts and grace, he cannot communicate grace to another, or to whom he will; none are born again of any such will:

but of God;

of God, the Father of Christ, who begets to a lively hope; and of the Son, who quickens whom he will; and of the grace of the Spirit, to whom regeneration is generally ascribed.



FOOTNOTES:

F6 Jarchi & Kimchi in loc. Shemot Rabba, sect. 19. fol. 103. 2. & 104. 4. & Mattanot Cehuna in Vajikra Rabba, sect. 23. fol. 164. 2. Zohar in Lev. fol. 39. 2.
F7 Zohar in Lev. fol. 20. 2.

 

[37818]

Ignatius

What authentic writing?

 

[Alan Gross]

*

What authentic writing?

"ever learning..."

 

[SavedByGrace]

What authentic writing?

Smyrnaeans; 1:1

 

[Van]

I do not know where this thread is headed, but John 1:12 indicates that everyone (plural) who have "received Him" (Christ Jesus)
are given the right or authority to become children or sons (plural) of God. So several words must be changed from the existing text (plural) into singular to float this premise.

 

[37818]

Smyrnaeans; 1:1

That so called epistle ascribed to Ignatius teach the Catholic view of the communion. It is my understandinding those writings are forgeries.

 

[SavedByGrace]

I do not know where this thread is headed, but John 1:12 indicates that everyone (plural) who have "received Him" (Christ Jesus)
are given the right or authority to become children or sons (plural) of God. So several words must be changed from the existing text (plural) into singular to float this premise.

I suggest that you carefully reread the OP

 

[SavedByGrace]

That so called epistle ascribed to Ignatius teach the Catholic view of the communion. It is my understandinding those writings are forgeries.

then you understand wrong! There is other evidence as well, as I have given in the OP, which is very early in date, and cannot be ignored by anyone who knows anything about textual studies

 

[37818]

then you understand wrong! There is other evidence as well, as I have given in the OP, which is very early in date, and cannot be ignored by anyone who knows anything about textual studies

Smyrnaeans 7, "They hold aloof from the Eucharist and from services of prayer, because they refuse to admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins and which, in his goodness, the Father raised . Consequently those who wrangle and dispute God’s gift face death. They would have done better to love and so share in the resurrection. The right thing to do, then, is to avoid such people and to talk about them neither in private nor in public. Rather pay attention to the prophets and above all to the gospel. There we get a clear picture of the Passion and see that the resurrection has really happened."

 

[Martin Marprelate]

There is very strong early textual evidence, as I have shown below, for the singular reading, "ἐγεννήθη"

According to my UBS 1993 Greek NT, there is no extant Greek manuscript whatsoever that has ἐγεννήθη.

 

[SavedByGrace]

According to my UBS 1993 Greek NT, there is no extant Greek manuscript whatsoever that has ἐγεννήθη.

so what? the Patristic evidence that I have given in the OP, is older than any of the surviving mss, and this reading was certainly in the Greek New Testament in the first century. Another good example for the mss evidence, is the Pericope Adulterae, of John 7:53-8:11. The oldest "extant" Greek mss is the Codex Bezae, which is probably 5th or 6th century. Yet, almost 100 years earlier, the scholar Jerome, whose work is the Latin Vulgate, said od this very passage, that, it was found, "in many manuscripts, both Greek and Latin" (C. Pelag, ii.17). Note, "MANY" Greek mss., which have either been lost, or destroyed in the destruction of the library at Alexandria. Like two other very important doctrinal passages, 1 Timothy 3:16, where "God" has been replaced by "He who"; and 1 John 5:7, the testimony of the Three Heavenly Witnesses, this passage in John was also corrupted.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Smyrnaeans 7, "They hold aloof from the Eucharist and from services of prayer, because they refuse to admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins and which, in his goodness, the Father raised . Consequently those who wrangle and dispute God’s gift face death. They would have done better to love and so share in the resurrection. The right thing to do, then, is to avoid such people and to talk about them neither in private nor in public. Rather pay attention to the prophets and above all to the gospel. There we get a clear picture of the Passion and see that the resurrection has really happened."

when consulting the Patristic evidence for textual purposes, we are not too concerned with the "theology" of the church fathers, but to their reference to Scripture text. There are heretical teachings that are found in some of the fathers works, but they have no bearing on their citation, or allusion, to the Bible passages their works contain.

 

[Alan Gross]

I suggest that you carefully reread the OP

I do not know where this thread is headed, but John 1:12 indicates that everyone (plural) who have "received Him" (Christ Jesus)
are given the right or authority to become children or sons (plural) of God. So several words must be changed from the existing text (plural) into singular to float this premise.

[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[ < that is what=================== my cat suggested you do this. He stepped in and it probably has to do with needing to spit up a furball. He knows more than some who have jaded teachers.

 

[37818]

when consulting the Patristic evidence for textual purposes, we are not too concerned with the "theology" of the church fathers, but to their reference to Scripture text. There are heretical teachings that are found in some of the fathers works, but they have no bearing on their citation, or allusion, to the Bible passages their works contain.

Granted. But for the claim that Ignatius knew the Apostle John, that heresy seems highly unlikely for that letter to be authically by Ignatius.

 

[37818]

According to my UBS 1993 Greek NT, there is no extant Greek manuscript whatsoever that has ἐγεννήθη.

Is not ἐγεννήθη in the body of the Greek text in Matthew 1:16 of the USB? . . . εξ ης εγεννηθη ιησους ο λεγομενος χριστος

 

[Van]

I suggest that you carefully reread the OP

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12-13 NASB)​

The Greek words highlighted in red, are in the plural form.
So many (plural) received (plural) Him, and to them (those that received plural) to become children (plural) even to who believe (plural) ....

Next we get who (plural) but claimed to be singular in the original text. But "who" refers to the ones believing which is also plural.

Most of the rest of the OP seems irrelevant. God did father Jesus, i.e cause Him to be conceived in the womb of Mary. That does not suggest, that God could not father every born anew person. The premise that the same action of God must apply to only one person is ludicrous.

 

[SavedByGrace]

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12-13 NASB)​

The Greek words highlighted in red, are in the plural form.
So many (plural) received (plural) Him, and to them (those that received plural) to become children (plural) even to who believe (plural) ....

Next we get who (plural) but claimed to be singular in the original text. But "who" refers to the ones believing which is also plural.

Most of the rest of the OP seems irrelevant. God did father Jesus, i.e cause Him to be conceived in the womb of Mary. That does not suggest, that God could not father every born anew person. The premise that the same action of God must apply to only one person is ludicrous.

You have completely missed the whole point of the OP! Apart from the singular reading "ἐγεννήθη", which I believe was corrupted at a very early time. There is also the fact, that in verse 13 we have "ἀνδρός", which is singular, masculine, which removes any reference to the "male/father", which corresponds with Matthew 1:16, "μαριας εξ ης εγεννηθη ιησους ο λεγομενος χριστος", "Mary out of whom was born Jesus, Who is called Christ", which again excludes any human father for Jesus. Also, Luke 1:35, "ἐκ σοῦ" (out of you), which also has been removed from most modern versions, again excludes any reference to a human father.

I see that I forgot to mention another very important fact in the OP. The next phrase, "not of blood", is not a good rendering of the Greek, where the word translated "blood" (αιματωv) is plural, and should read, "bloods"; "a peculiar phrase, with a reference, perhaps, to both parents" (Dr S Green; Handbook to the Grammar of the Greek Testament, p.203)

"ex haimatôn, plural as common in classics and O.T., though why it is not clear unless blood of both father and mother; ek thelêmatos sarkos, from sexual desire; ek thelêmatos andros, from the will of the male" (Dr A T Robertson; Word Pictures in the New Testament, vol.V, p.12)

 

[SavedByGrace]

Is not ἐγεννήθη in the body of the Greek text in Matthew 1:16 of the USB? . . . εξ ης εγεννηθη ιησους ο λεγομενος χριστος

as I have stated in the OP

 

[37818]

The only evidence I see in John for the virgin birth is John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."