SavedByGrace
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the Name Yahweh mens just that!
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Is The Eternal Sonship of Jesus Christ Biblical? Part 3
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the Name Yahweh mens just that!
SavedByGrace
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known as "subordination" in the Essential Godhead! which is anathema!
I'm mocking your 'exposition.'
Christ's Sonship is not by virtue of the virgin birth. That was a sign only. He has always been the only begotten of the Father. That doesn't mean He has a beginning. That doesn't mean He is less God, or has less power. But there is a structure to the authority of Heaven.
So, to answer your question, I believe in the Trinity more than you do. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, have always been the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Not just modes through which one Person acts, but three distinct Persons, though one God, as a wife and husband are distinct persons, though one flesh. We are baptized in the name (not names) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The Trinitarian name of God is one name of one God, yet our Savior was always and eternally the Son of the Father.
This is the testimony of Scripture. You're not going to get your mind wrapped around it. It's foolish to try.
No, I mean in relationship to the other Persons of the Trinity.
SavedByGrace
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Does Jesus depend upon the Father to exist then?
Always have existed as those 3 Persons....
Neither would exist without the others.
Right. Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Always. Eternally.
SBG is asserting that the second Person of the Trinity was not always the Son.
So all sustain each other equally, not dependent upon just the Father?
Think that he is saying that Jesus was the Word of the Lord, Second Person eternally, but became the Son once incarnated!
"Dependent" and "Sustain" are the wrong terms.
It's who God is. It is His essence. God does not exist otherwise.
So there would not be eternal subordination within the Godhead?
Subordination is the wrong word.
All power and authority in Heaven and earth was deeded to the Son. Yet it was according to the supreme will of the Father, to which will the Son and the Holy Ghost always submit. For God, we're told in the letter to the Corinthians, is the head of Christ.
So there is a structure to the authority in heaven, which is to be reflected in marriage and the family, and also in the congregations of the church because of the angels present where Christians gather to worship.
So each member of the Godhead have a role to do?
Let's see, one Person is called the Father, one is called the Son, and the other is called the Holy Ghost. What do you think?
To me its more akin to 3 Presidents or Kings, not the Father as president, Jesus as Vice, and Spirit as speaker of the house!
You're thinking in terms of office and not relationship and are way off track. Anyway, my point is that the eternal Son was, is and ever shall be the Only Begotten of the Father, not by virtue of His Incarnation, but by virtue of His endless life.
He had eternal life within Himself though, not dependent upon the Father....