Jesus Christ Shed His Blood for Judas

[Alan Gross]

Jesus says very clearly, "unless you REPENT you will PERISH (LOST)". So, when you do REPENT you do not PERISH and are therefore SAVED! Is this so hard for you to grasp? looks like you like to argue for the sake of it!

I think you knew something to do that was good and did it not.

 

[37818]

Jesus says very clearly, "unless you REPENT you will PERISH (LOST)". So, when you do REPENT you do not PERISH and are therefore SAVED! Is this so hard for you to grasp? looks like you like to argue for the sake of it!

And this is where in the gospel of John?

 

[AustinC]

Jesus says very clearly, "unless you REPENT you will PERISH (LOST)". So, when you do REPENT you do not PERISH and are therefore SAVED! Is this so hard for you to grasp? looks like you like to argue for the sake of it!

You are reading your bias into the text. Notice how you are forcing salvation by repentance into the text, even though Jesus does not say a person is saved by virtue of repentance.

Now, it is noted that three times I have shared Ephesians 2:4-9 with you where God tells us, directly, that we are "saved by grace" (not just once, but twice for emphasis). Yet, you are openly ignoring what God says in order to force your assertion with verses that never say that "repentance is required to be saved" as you keep asserting.

God's word proves you wrong.

Everytime we see repentance, it is always after God has changed a person's heart. Acts 2 tells us that God pricked their hearts...then they repented. In 1 Thessalonians 1 we see that God chose the Thessalonians, then they repented.

SBG, read the Bible without your bias clouding what God says.

 

[Alan Gross]

And this is where in the gospel of John?

The first part is in there.

A Call to Repentance Luke 13:3;

…2 To this He replied, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered this fate?

3 No, I tell you. But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

4 Or those eighteen who were killed when the tower of Siloam collapsed on them: Do you think that they were more sinful than all the others living in Jerusalem?…

Berean Study Bible ·

meaning:

but except ye repent;
of sin, and particularly of the disbelief of the Messiah:

ye shall likewise perish;
or perish, in like manner, as these Galileans did:

and so it came to pass in the destruction of Jerusalem, that great numbers of the unbelieving Jews, even three hundred thousand men were destroyed at the feast of passover F3; and that for sedition, as these men very likely were.

F3 Vid. Joseph. de Bello Jud. l. 6. c. 11. & l. 7. c. 17. Euseb. l. 3. c. 5.

 

[Alan Gross]

You are reading your bias into the text. Notice how you are forcing salvation by repentance into the text, even though Jesus does not say a person is saved by virtue of repentance.

....as well as, FORCING JESUS' BLOOD SALVATION out of the text...

 

[SavedByGrace]

I think you knew something to do that was good and did it not.

huh?

 

[SavedByGrace]

And this is where in the gospel of John?

Luke 13:1-5

 

[SavedByGrace]

You are reading your bias into the text. Notice how you are forcing salvation by repentance into the text, even though Jesus does not say a person is saved by virtue of repentance.

Now, it is noted that three times I have shared Ephesians 2:4-9 with you where God tells us, directly, that we are "saved by grace" (not just once, but twice for emphasis). Yet, you are openly ignoring what God says in order to force your assertion with verses that never say that "repentance is required to be saved" as you keep asserting.

God's word proves you wrong.

Everytime we see repentance, it is always after God has changed a person's heart. Acts 2 tells us that God pricked their hearts...then they repented. In 1 Thessalonians 1 we see that God chose the Thessalonians, then they repented.

SBG, read the Bible without your bias clouding what God says.

in the first place I have never even suggested that a sinner can save themselves, so your argument is moot. Secondly, the text that you quote from 2 Thessalonians does not read as in the KJV, "But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved (that is, the first converts), through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth." (2:13). ESV, and Greek texts

It is you who is avoiding what it clearly teaches in Luke 13.

 

[SavedByGrace]

....as well as, FORCING JESUS' BLOOD SALVATION out of the text...

you and the rest of the unreformed on here, have not been able to disprove the OP, where is clear from Luke's Gospel, where Jesus Himself says that He shed His blood for Judas. Like Bob who tried unsuccessfully to derail what it says, by misunderstading what the Greek actually says, so too some others here cannot accept the fact of what Jesus very clearly says, and just keep on arguing for the sake of it! You cannot succeed in your attacks against the teachings of the Word of God!

 

[SavedByGrace]

repentance is required to be saved

if any person does not "repent" of their sins, they an NEVER be saved! End of!

 

[AustinC]

in the first place I have never even suggested that a sinner can save themselves, so your argument is moot. Secondly, the text that you quote from 2 Thessalonians does not read as in the KJV, "But we ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers beloved by the Lord, because God chose you as the firstfruits to be saved (that is, the first converts), through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth." (2:13). ESV, and Greek texts

It is you who is avoiding what it clearly teaches in Luke 13.

Sigh...

 

[SavedByGrace]

If Jesus atoned for Judas' sin (atone = paid the penalty, covered, once-for-all deal), then Judas will be in heaven. A just God cannot demand payment twice if Jesus paid it all. Of course, that is absurd.

Jesus has paid the price, but unless the sinner "repents and believes", they cannot be saved!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Sigh...

is that all you can say? These are facts!

 

[AustinC]

if any person does not "repent" of their sins, they an NEVER be saved! End of!

So, you have closed your mind to the Bible and to Ephesians 2:4-9. This is sad. You hold to your dogma despite God's word saying you are wrong.
So be it. Remain in your false doctrine.

 

[SavedByGrace]

So, you have closed your mind to the Bible and to Ephesians 2:4-9. This is sad. You hold to your dogma despite God's word saying you are wrong.
So be it. Remain in your false doctrine.

do you just have ONE passage of Scripture which you keep misusing? Jesus' OWN words in Mark 1:15; Luke 13:1-5; and 24:47 are all ignored because what they say don't agree with your warped theology! I am not wasting any further time with you on this, as you have still FAILED to deal with the OP!

 

[Alan Gross]

you and the rest of the unreformed on here, have not been able to disprove the OP, where is clear from Luke's Gospel, where Jesus Himself says that He shed His blood for Judas. Like Bob who tried unsuccessfully to derail what it says, by misunderstading what the Greek actually says, so too some others here cannot accept the fact of what Jesus very clearly says, and just keep on arguing for the sake of it! You cannot succeed in your attacks against the teachings of the Word of God!

The BLOOD of JESUS CHRIST was Shed, ONLY,
for those who, ultimately, DO NOT have SYMPATHY for The DEVIL.

 

[Iconoclast]

SavedByGrace,

Hello sbg, Lets take it one part at a time, let me know if you agree or do not agree.

what exactly is the Gospel to you?

What the gospel is to me is not relevant. What is relevant is what does the scripture declares the gospel to be.
1 Corinthians 15
King James Version

15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
\according to the scriptures:

This passage speaking of the historic facts of the gospel by itself is not the gospel. When Paul speaks of these historic facts, he links them to all the SCRIPTURES

So, as important as these historic facts are, they are not to be divorced from all the scriptures. The gospel is found through all the scriptures;
Genesis 3:15
King James Version

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Gal3:
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

2 sam.23:5 Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

Romans1:
15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Heb6:
12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,

14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.

15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.

17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;

20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

1tim1:
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
How do these verses look to you?

 

[SavedByGrace]

The BLOOD of JESUS CHRIST was Shed, ONLY,
for those who, ultimately, DO NOT have SYMPATHY for The DEVIL.

so the passage in the OP in the Inspired, Infallible, Gospel of Luke, is in ERROR? Jesus' words in this pasaage as recorded by Luke under the guidance of God the Holy Spirit, is WRONG? according to YOU???

You are in need of some very serious HELP!

 

[SavedByGrace]

SavedByGrace,

Hello sbg, Lets take it one part at a time, let me know if you agree or do not agree.


What the gospel is to me is not relevant. What is relevant is what does the scripture declares the gospel to be.
1 Corinthians 15
King James Version

15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day
\according to the scriptures:

This passage speaking of the historic facts of the gospel by itself is not the gospel. When Paul speaks of these historic facts, he links them to all the SCRIPTURES

So, as important as these historic facts are, they are not to be divorced from all the scriptures. The gospel is found through all the scriptures;
Genesis 3:15
King James Version

15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Gal3:
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

2 sam.23:5 Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

Romans1:
15 So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Heb6:
12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

13 For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could swear by no greater, he sware by himself,

14 Saying, Surely blessing I will bless thee, and multiplying I will multiply thee.

15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.

17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:

18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

19 Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;

20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

1tim1:
14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
How do these verses look to you?

WHAT ABOUT THE OP??? it is OBVIOUS that you cannot answer it, so you try to shoot it down, and FAIL!!!

 

[Iconoclast]

pt 2 sbg,

I understand this as Great News, that the Lord Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners from a certain eternal punishment!

Now this is a great and biblical statement, if you could consistently agree with what you posted here, but you do not believe your own post as written, I will show it now;
Here is what you posted-

that the Lord Jesus Christ came into the world
to save sinners from a certain eternal punishment!

Here your statement reads ...TO SAVE SINNERS.

Yet your posts say otherwise. You say He only makes it possible, that He actually does not save all He intended to save.

In your posts, you suggest a savior who wants, wishes, hopes, to save every person who has ever lived, but He cannot get that done.He has done all that He can, now it is up to the sinner, who is alienated from the life of God, dead in sins,without hope, and without God in the world to just "have a change of mind".This same sinner who hates God, His word, and people, who is a truth suppressor is just going to flip the switch. That is not the gospel.
Cals understand that when Jesus said it is finished, He meant it.