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The blessings associated with the land promises,[Mosaic covenant] were conditional, blessings and curses were put before the people.
Lev26, Deut28

 

Notice, God chose to love Israel despite all of Israel's flaws and despite the fact Israel would not obey Him fully or keep His covenant.

Nowhere does God tell us why He chose to love Israel and hate Esau, but God made His choice. We either accept God's choice or we waste our time asking God why. I choose to trust God, as Sovereign King, does what is perfect.

Notice how your quote from Amos fits with God's comment in Hebrews 12 about us.

Hebrews 12:5-14 And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.” It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline? If you are left without discipline, in which all have participated, then you are illegitimate children and not sons. Besides this, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we respected them. Shall we not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live? For they disciplined us for a short time as it seemed best to them, but he disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant, but later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it. Therefore lift your drooping hands and strengthen your weak knees, and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be put out of joint but rather be healed. Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.

 

Do you expect me to disagree with the perseverance of the saints?

 

No sbg, it is certain, not contingent;
In Romans 9 Paul quotes from Isa.1 showing the elect remnant, the elect seed is preserved by God.


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For the right understanding of this verse it is of first importance that we should note carefully the tense of the verb in the first clause: it is not “we shall be made partakers of Christ if” — that would completely overthrow the gospel of God’s grace, deny the efficacy of the finished Work of Christ, and make assurance of our acceptance before God impossible before death.

No, what the Spirit here says is, “We are made partakers of Christ,” and in the Greek it is expressed even more decisively: “For partakers we have become of the Christ.” The word “partakers” here is the same as in Hebrews 3:1, “partakers of the heavenly calling,” and at the end of Hebrews 1:9 is rendered, “fellows.” Perhaps, “companions” would be a better rendering. It means that we are so “joined unto the Lord,” as to be “one spirit” with Him ( 1 Corinthians 6:17). It is to be so united to Christ that we are “members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones” ( Ephesians 5:30). It is to be made by grace, “joint-heirs” with Him ( Romans 8:17). The word “made partakers of Christ” shows there was a time when Christians were not so. They were not so born naturally; it was a privilege conferred upon them when they “received” Him as their Savior ( John 1:12). “If we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end.” This does not express a condition of our remaining partakers of Christ in the sense of its being a contingency. “What is the one thing which the Christian desires? What is the one great thing which he does? What is the one great secret which he is always endeavoring to find out with greater clearness and grasp with firmer intensity? Is it not this: ‘my Beloved is mine, and I am His’? The inmost desire of our heart and the exhortation of the Word coincide. To the end we must persevere; and it is therefore with great joy and alacrity that we receive the solemn exhortations: ‘He that endureth unto the end shall be saved’; ‘No man, having put his hand to the plow, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.’ We desire to hear constantly the voice which saith from His Heavenly throne, ‘To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with Me in My kingdom, even as I also overcame, and am set down with My Father in His throne’” (Saphir).

To hold fast the beginning of our confidence firm unto the end is to furnish evidence of the genuineness of our profession, it is to make it manifest both to ourselves and others that we have been made “partakers of Christ.”



Hebrews 3:14-15 Commentary | Precept Austin

If is a third class conditional: possibility (see short discussion of Conditional Clauses): Those who persevere in their Christian life know that they have come to share in the life Christ gives (See later in Hebrews this "sharing" refers to sharing His reproach!). Believers who are once in Christ continue to be in Christ. Faith does not come and go. It stays firmly fixed on Christ. These faltering believers (some even apostates) began with loud confidence and profession of loyalty. And now?

Spurgeon - It is not true that one act of faith is all that is required, except you consider that one act to be continuous throughout life. If a man were a believer once, and if it were possible to cease to be so, then, of course, he is ruined. But the doctrine of the final perseverance of the saints does not speak in that manner. It says that he who is a believer shall continue so—that he who is right with God shall abide so even to the end, and unless it be so we are not partakers of Christ at all.

 

WRONG, IT WAS CERTAIN NOT CONTINGENT .....NOT ALL ISRAEL WAS OF ISRAEL, SEE MY POST 147

 

WILLIAM GOUGE ON HEBREWS 3:14

Hebrews 3:14 For we became in the past and may continue to be partakers of Christ [partners in the supergrace life], if we maintain a steady course from the original undertaking [first signs of positive volition] to the point of maturity [completion of sanctification-salvation],

It is an if of certainty...in other words...if so be

Hebrews 3:14
Young's Literal Translation

14 for partakers we have become of the Christ, if the beginning of the confidence unto the end we may hold fast,

MOUNCE
For we have become partners of Christ, if in fact we hold the beginning of our confidence firm to the end.
NOG

NIV
We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.
NIVUK
We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.
NKJV
For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
NLV
For we belong to Christ if we keep on trusting Him to the end just as we trusted Him at first.
NLT
For if we are faithful to the end, trusting God just as firmly as when we first believed, we will share in all that belongs to Christ.
NMB
We are partakers of Christ if we keep sure until the end the first confidence,
NRSV
For we have become partners of Christ, if only we hold our first confidence firm to the end.
NRSVA
For we have become partners of Christ, if only we hold our first confidence firm to the end.
NRSVACE
For we have become partners of Christ, if only we hold our first confidence firm to the end.
NRSVCE
For we have become partners of Christ, if only we hold our first confidence firm to the end.
NTE

 

Haha, no...mainline Calvinists are caricatured as Hyper by those who cannot answer them.

 

28 My mercy will I keep for him for evermore, and my covenant shall stand fast with him.

29 His seed also will I make to endure for ever, and his throne as the days of heaven.

30 If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;

31 If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;

32 Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.

33 Nevertheless my lovingkindness will I not utterly take from him, nor suffer my faithfulness to fail.

34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

35 Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.

36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.

37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah.

Do you see the difference now?

 

Hebrews has several warning passages, none of which teach it is possible to lose salvation, not one passage says that...not one

 

For doctrinal matters, yes. The Non Cals do not see the whole picture, they can help with certain things, sanctification, family life, but are defective on doctrine.
i have read their best efforts that I could find, but not even close to truth

Hebrews 3:12 Beware [consider the consequences], brethren [members of the royal family], so there will not be in any of you a degenerate [totally depraved], unfaithful [rejects divine perspective] mentality of the soul [the mind is saturated with sin and evil instead of Bible doctrine], which results in apostasy from the living God [spiritual desertion],

Gouge

 

They were falling away because Judaism was legal, Christianity was not, so they were warned in 6:4.....If having fallen away, it is impossible to renew to repentance.