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Here a Calvinist denies God puts us into Christ. And if pressed will seek refuge in exacting wording rather than a denial of the biblical concept.

1Corinthians 1:30
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

 

No one questions that the elect are In Saving Union In Christ.
Your continued error is how and why it happens which is a total denial of the biblical account.
You are welcome to your ideas of course. You evidently have at least one or two who follow, and keep posting like,like.

 

But let us take yet another look at one of the verses that is used to support the unbiblical doctrine of total spiritual inability, Romans 8:9:
However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.

Here the claim is made, "in the flesh" refers to not being born anew, rather than a person simply setting their mind on fleshly desires, thus "in the flesh." But this claim ignores the conditional, "if indeed the Spirit dwells in you." So what the verse says you might be under the influence of the Spirit of God, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Or you might not be indwelt but still have set your mind on some spiritual things.

And so the consistent finding is Calvinism must be read into the text, because other more likely views exist.

 

Yet another off topic, you, you, you post addressing the poster and not the post.
We do not power ourselves into Christ, God alone puts us in there.

How are we chosen and placed into Christ?
Scripture says we are:
(1) Called into His marvelous light 1 Peter 2:9
(2) Baptized into Christ, Romans 6:3
(3) Transferred into His Beloved Son's kingdom, Colossians 1:13
(4) Sanctified or set apart in Christ, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 1 Peter 1:2

On what basis or for what reason are we set apart in Christ for salvation?
(1) Faith in the truth, as credited by God. 2 Thessalonians 2:13, James 2:5

 

wrong;
2 Timothy 1:9
King James Version

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

 

On and on, one ambiguous verse after another is said to somehow support the falsehood that is Calvinism.
Did God save us because of our works? Nope.
Did God save us according to His purpose? Of course.
What was given to us - those transferred into Christ? Grace.

When did God decide to give grace to those transferred into Christ? Before the world began.

Is 2 Timothy 1:9 inconsistent with the following? Nope
How are we chosen and placed into Christ?
Scripture says we are:
(1) Called into His marvelous light 1 Peter 2:9
(2) Baptized into Christ, Romans 6:3
(3) Transferred into His Beloved Son's kingdom, Colossians 1:13
(4) Sanctified or set apart in Christ, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 1 Peter 1:2

On what basis or for what reason are we set apart in Christ for salvation?
(1) Faith in the truth, as credited by God. 2 Thessalonians 2:13, James 2:5

OTOH, scripture precludes anyone being individually chosen before we existed and therefore were always"a people chosen for God's possession." 1 Peter 2:9-10

 

no one is transferred into Christ...bogus...
2 Timothy 1:9
King James Version

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

 

Stonewalling demonstrates the inability to defend falsehood.

Did God save us because of our works? Nope.
Did God save us according to His purpose? Of course.
What was given to us - those transferred into Christ? Grace.

When did God decide to give grace to those transferred into Christ? Before the world began.

Is 2 Timothy 1:9 inconsistent with the following? Nope
How are we chosen and placed into Christ?
Scripture says we are:
(1) Called into His marvelous light 1 Peter 2:9
(2) Baptized into Christ, Romans 6:3
(3) Transferred into His Beloved Son's kingdom, Colossians 1:13
(4) Sanctified or set apart in Christ, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, 1 Peter 1:2

On what basis or for what reason are we set apart in Christ for salvation?
(1) Faith in the truth, as credited by God. 2 Thessalonians 2:13, James 2:5

OTOH, scripture precludes anyone being individually chosen before we existed and therefore were always"a people chosen for God's possession." 1 Peter 2:9-10

 

I'm saying that all sins including unbelief were paid for.

 

13¶But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Beginning , when ? notice what it doesn't say ?

Eisegesis (/ ˌ aɪ s ɪ ˈ dʒ iː s ɪ s /) is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases.It is commonly referred to as reading into the text. It is often done to "prove" a pre-held point of concern, and to provide confirmation bias corresponding with the pre-held interpretation and any agendas supported by it.

 

I'm saying the elect are capable of committing any and all sins including unbelief:

12 Take heed, brethren, lest haply there shall be in any one of you an evil heart of unbelief, in falling away from the living God: Heb 3

The redeemed child of God is capable of doing everything they're told NOT to do in The Book.

 

I'm saying unbelievers. He's paid for their sin of unbelief . It makes no sense to say Jesus did not pay for the sin of unbelief ..All our sins were yet future when he paid for them .

 

I know in whom I have trusted, as did Apostle Paul!
I know Jesus is Son of God and Lord, per John, and know have eternal life in him!

 

The saved cannot and will not deny Jesus as their Lord, as we have now new nature and the indwelling HNoly Spirit!

 

Yes that's what verses say . For the elect only in your system. Its evident we here of many who say the same and yet renounce the faith later ?

 

I know. But that's not what I said. Again, the question was intended to be rhetorical.

 

You'll spout anything with no scripture to prove it. I see nothing here that supports this your latest quip:

11 Faithful is the saying: For if we died with him, we shall also live with him:
12 if we endure, we shall also reign with him: if we shall deny him, he also will deny us:
13 if we are faithless, he abideth faithful; for he cannot deny himself. 2 Tim 2

If we're incapable of ever denying Him why would Paul even bring it up?

 

how can we deny the one who saved us when its the Holy Spirit Himself who enabled us to call Jesus Lord?

 

Jesus stated that he will raise up all of the saved, and that we are sealed by God until that day!