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Friction. Not knowing things not fully explained by scripture.

 

It that like when jay Vernon stated that we must preach and teach what Bible is sure on?

 

I guess, I am not very up on what Vernon taught.

 

You jest

 

You are splitting hairs here. There is no time difference between the two

Though you are right that the central theme of the New Testament is the Cross of Jesus Christ

 

I like the idea that the key verse for the entire bible is John 1:29 b, "behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world."

 

No, I think you are dealing with two kinds of people, not two doctrines. There really is no difference in the two kinds of Calvinism you attempted to delineate. Naturally, the different kinds of people will express things differently, but one thing to keep in mind is that there are degrees of comprehension among Calvinists as there are in any discipline. Not every Calvinist understands Calvinism to the same degree, and their defenses will reflect that. But it's a weakness in the disciple, not the doctrine.

 

As a theology, Calvinism should explain dispensationalism, deep time, and who goes to hell.

 

Here's what I see, if it is of any worth to you:

" But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." ( Matthew 4:4 ).

May God bless your studies greatly as you search His word.

 

Are you sure about that, Jon?
Paul preached the cross and Him crucified:

" For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." ( 1 Corinthians 1:18-24 ).


Jesus said this:
" And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all [men] unto me.
33 This he said, signifying what death he should die." ( John 12:32 ).

...and Peter, by the Holy Spirit said this:
" Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:" ( Acts of the Apostles 2:22-23 ).

Good morning to you, sir.

 

Yes, I think we all need to value both every word of scripture, and our siblings insight of scripture.

 

Jon, you are making massive brush strokes and assumptions. I can only assume you do this because you think your personal thoughts about God are superior and more well thought than others here.
Your proposition is therefore oozing with self-pride and daring people to prove your nebulous theory to be wrong. Good luck. It's clear you are stuck on your opinion.
As to Wells, I believe you have failed to understand his proposition if you imagine you can take his message and disparage Calvin with it.
This is my last and only comment on this thread as I believe it is a wasted thread.

 

I would remind Dave G of Jn 5:39:

39 Ye search the scriptures, because ye think that in them ye have eternal life; and these are they which bear witness of me; Jn 5

Van's pick is excellent as a key verse for the theme of Redemption. But I see the Bible as a multi-faceted gem that has more than one theme, all of which revolve around the Seed of the woman. My pick for key verse of yet another theme:

18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Jn 1

...the theme of the revelation of God through the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

The overall theme is God's revelation. Thus the Lamb of God points not only to Christ Jesus, but also to the Father, because we must believe in the One that sent Christ to be saved.

 

I suppose that depends on perspective.
Until he comes again and sets up His reign at Jerusalem, I don't see where the Kingdom has come unless we consider that it has come in the person of Christ's Spirit within them.

Right now He's in Heaven at the right hand of the Father making intercession for us.

Romans 8:29-30.
Ephesians 1:4-5.
2 Thessalonians 2:13-14.

I'm sorry, but I don't consider the difference between 1 Corinthians 15:1-6 and the rest of the news about what the Lord has to say about how and why someone is saved to be all that great.
While I hold that the apostles didn't preach every important detail of this in their public presentations to the masses, it was only further developed in the epistles.

In other words, I see that the contents of Romans 8:28-30 are as much the Gospel as its "smaller version"...
Christ crucified for sinners, His death, burial and resurrection the third day for sinners.
But God's word only expands on that the more we read it.

Apologies, but I rarely listen to preachers that are in the public eye anymore, so I'm not aware of what particular ones teach.

...and do you see anywhere in God's word what, exactly the good news of the Kingdom was / is?
If so, then I'd be interested to know where you think that the good news is further developed in the Scriptures.

 

Austin,
I'd like to point out something if I may...
This may seem harsh, but it's not meant to be.

To me, you seem to charge anyone who makes a certain kind of post with having a lot of self-pride.
That may be the truth and it may not be.

But how can you honestly tell, based on reading some words on a page, what is in their heart or in their mind?
In addition, would you please stand back and read your own comments and ask yourself how they appear to come off to others who read them?
Would you say that they are edifying, or are they condemning and accusatory?

Also, please remember...

I bear you no ill will and I wish you well, despite our apparent differences.
My purpose in writing things like this is not to hurt anyone, but to help them...
Even though it may not come off as being that way to the person that they are written to.


May God bless you, sir.