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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by tyndale1946, Dec 12, 2020.

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  1. AustinC

    AustinC Well-Known Member

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    So, God is not enough. Grace is not enough. Is that accurate?
     
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    No. Propitiation by itself is not enough, which is why God can credit Christ's propitiation to the whole world (1 John 2:2) and yet the whole world is not saved.
     
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    So, Jesus atonement and God's saving grace are not enough.
    "Sirs, what must we do to be saved..."
     
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    Answer:

    “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
    ~ Acts 16:30-31

    Believe in Jesus atonement for sin and you will be saved.

    Who enables a person to believe?

    But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
    ~ Ephesians 2:4-5
     
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    Propitiation is not appropriated by faith, but the other aspects of Christ's work (such as redemption) are. I invite you to show otherwise from Scripture. Everyone is enabled to believe, but very many choose not to do so. I refer you to Romans 1:19-21.
     
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    Why do you have to emend Scripture to make your point? Because you are reading your theology into this verse instead of letting the Word of God speak for itself.

    This verse says precisely nothing about being "enabled to believe." Everyone is able to believe, John 3:16.
     
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    Tuilagi, that passage is saying that salvation is by one method only. Regardless of race, status, gender.
     
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    What was with the Galatians post Scott?
    Haven’t we figured that out yet? That Paul says a Jew or a Gentile, a slave or master, a man or woman, comes to God through Messiah only.
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    BF - baby food

    Blessings
     
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    Yes. Because you’re over simplifying.
     
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    Tuilagi? My name means something, try not to butcher it. Attention to detail is the key to understanding, especially when it comes to scriptural truth. Galatians 3:28 is not talking about the "method" of salvation, it is talking about what pertains after salvation.
     
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    Prove it


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    Read verse 27. Past tense.
     
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    So you went from a man to a woman. Got it


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    If you can't tell the difference between what pertains "in Christ" and what pertains prior to salvation, I'm sure there's little I can say to help you.
     
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    So you are still an employee and not an employer. Got it.
     
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    Please clarify. Your argument seems to consist entirely of personal attack. Is that all you've got?
     
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    You neglected to add verse 18.

    Romans 1:18-20
    For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

    Now look at Romans 3:9-18.

    What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin, as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.”[/b[ “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
     
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    So you’re still a gentile and not a Jew. Got it


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    You're making my point for me, talking about status after salvation instead of the "method of salvation." Nice job, thanks.
     
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