No I didn't Your explanation was not sufficient it failed to show your view at all instead it showed mine Asking to be quicken is asking to be saved.Ps 80:18
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Easy Believism is my conclusion of the faith.
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Dave G
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I agree, roby...
If that is all that one looks at in His word to determine who is saved and why, then that is all that a person is going to see.
Haven't you ever run across passages that answer the "who and why" in your studies?
I have, and I can tell you in all honesty, there is much more to it than simply John 3:16 and a few others.
Why you are unable ( or unwilling ) to acknowledge the rest, I do not know...
But I can also tell you that there are over 10,000 "verses" in the Bible, and John 3:16, Romans 10:13, Romans 10:17, 2 Peter 3:9, 1 Timothy 2:4 and 1 John 2:2 are only five of them.
My friend,
That precious Book has very much to say to the believer in Jesus Christ, and it cannot be broken down into a list of "high points" like a framework, even though many try to do that very thing.
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Dave G
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Not just the facts, roby...
The word of God.
Who hears the word of God?
Scripture tells us who do and who do not...
" He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God." ( John 8:47 ).
Are you hearing them?
If so, then praise God, for you are "of" Him, my friend.
Easy believism?.,.. The Holy Spirit has to invade a corrupt heart and change it, without the help of the sinner and only then is the sinner receptive to hear and see the written Gospel... Then he has a spiritual eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart to understand the wonderful workings of God and how he was saved 100% by Jesus Christ alone!... So why don't some of you brethren take a trip to the graveyard, start preaching the Gospel and see how many dead men rise to hear it?... It took the whole workings of the Godhead to change just one... YOU!... Easy believism?... Guess again?... Brother Glen
Btw... I'm not saying you're not saved, you seem to fail to realize as long as I have been on the BB, how you are saved!
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Dave G
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Yet, the person quickened was made alive even when they were dead in sins:
" But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
" ( Ephesians 2:4-5 ).Christ quickens, ( "makes alive" ) whom He wills, not whom we will:
" For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will." ( John 5:21 ).
God "quickens" ( makes the sinner alive, bestows the new birth to ) those that are dead, spiritually:
" (as it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, [even] God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were." ( Romans 4:17 ).
He does it in the context of Titus 3:5-6, 2 Timothy 1:9, Ephesians 1:4-14, Ephesians 2:10, Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:10-18, John 3:19-20, Psalms 10, Psalms 14, Psalms 58:3, Romans 8:28-33, and many others...and to me, you're losing sight of this, MB:
" Blessed [is the man whom] thou choosest, and causest to approach [unto thee, that] he may dwell in thy courts: we shall be satisfied with the goodness of thy house, even of thy holy temple." ( Psalms 65:4 ).
God does the work first, based on His grace and mercy towards someone...
Not because of any effort on their part.
That is what grace is, my friend...
God deciding to show mercy and favor to someone who is completely unworthy of it, and who cannot do a thing to deserve it.
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Dave G
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Glen, read my posts again, sir...Easy believism?.,.. The Holy Spirit has to invade a corrupt heart and change it, without the help of the sinner and only then is the sinner receptive to hear and see the written Gospel... Then he has a spiritual eyes to see, ears to hear and a heart to understand the wonderful workings of God and how he was saved 100% by Jesus Christ alone!... So why don't some of you brethren take a trip to the graveyard, start preaching the Gospel and see how many dead men rise to hear it?... It took the whole workings of the Godhead to change just one... YOU!... Easy believism?... Guess again?... Brother Glen
Btw... I'm not saying you're not saved, you seem to fail to realize as long as I have been on the BB, how you are saved!
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
It seems you are directing this at the wrong person.
"Easy believism" is not Scriptural, nor is "decisional regeneration".
Our best efforts at trying to "receive" God's gift are completely side-stepped by the Lord, who makes the unworthy, poor, blind, foolish, naked and destitute the recipients of His gifts...
Not people who make themselves "worthy" by trying to meet a set of requirements.
My only hope is in the completely unmerited gift of God through no effort of my own.
Jesus Christ, who is the only one worthy enough to have God's favor.
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Glen, read my posts again, sir...
It seems you are directing this at the wrong person.
"Easy believism" is not Scriptural, nor is "decisional regeneration".
Our best efforts at trying to "receive" God's gift are completely side-stepped by the Lord, who makes the unworthy, poor, blind, foolish, naked and destitute the recipients of His gifts...
Not people who make themselves "worthy" by trying to meet a set of requirements.
My only hope is in the completely unmerited gift of God through no effort of my own.
Jesus Christ, who is the only one worthy enough to have God's favor.
Sorry I was spring boarding off of your post, it wasn't directed at you Dave... I know what you believe!... Brother Glen
None of the "whoevers" would call on the name of the Lord if they didn't believe. And being born again is being saved.
And the verse in question is Satan's words & another of his lies.
Again, Scripture doesn't say "whoever IF..." it simply says "whoever".
Romans 10:13 "For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”You seem to be having trouble with the word believes
Obviously, if one doesn't believe, one wouldn't call on the name of the Lord.
OF COURSE I hear, & HEED them, but I don't use the KJV as you do.
Brightfame52
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Brightfame52
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The whoever was qualified. I just explained it to you.
Dave G
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No, my friend, it appears that you do not heed the word of God...
You appear, at least to me, to pick and choose His words based on whether or not you like them.
From where I'm sitting, it's easy to like passages such as John 3:16 and 1 John 2:2...but not so easy to like passages such as Psalms 5:5, Psalms 10:3, and Psalms 11:5.
But I have hope that someday His words will get through to you.
That is why I encourage you to carefully consider all of them, even the ones that you don't seem to like...
Passages such as John 6:37-47, John 6:64-65, John 8:43-47, Philippians 1:29, 2 Thessalonians 2:13 and Acts of the Apostles 13:48 which all tell us who believes and why.
May He bless you with much in your studies,
and may you look to Him by faith, for everything in this life...
Especially for the answers to how and why you have believed on Him and His Son.
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Correct. Yet, you don't see how your statement limits the whoever to only those who are born again and believe.
You cannot birth yourself spiritually and you cannot believe unless you are spiritually born again.
There was no qualification. In Psalm 80:18.. Your words are not scriptural Just men asking to be quickened. Something you disagree with.
Psa 80:18 So will not we go back from thee: quicken us, and we will call upon thy name.
Psa 80:19 Turn us again, O LORD God of hosts, cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved.
MB
Yes, that is why they are known as UNBELIEVERS.
Brightfame52
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Your explanation isn't worth a thing when it comes to theology. You used scripture that doesn't say what you claim. Men do not tell me what I should believe.God does this very well with out your help. Calvinism is Heresy plain and simple. It does not exist in scripture. Your just making false claims whether you know it or not
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