Easy believism.

[Van]

Depends on how it's defined. Some say they believe in Salvation with out repentance. I believe Salvation is easy but I do not leave out repentance. What Calvinist believe is even easier. They don't have to believe to be saved because, They claim they are saved to believe. They've managed to deceive them selves about every doctrine they believe in.
Just imagine this they claim they are elect and this election saves them irregardless of there will. This is why I ragg on election simply because they don't know what it really is. They can't prove they are elect and claiming you are does not make it so. Everyone who is really elect are Jews.
MB

You may believe what you will, but Jesus says many seek the narrow gate that leads to life, but do not find it. Thus not easy!
The rich young ruler did not find it. Some of the soils of Matthew 13 did not find it. The folks of Matthew 7 did not find it.

 

[John of Japan]

Why were those that said, "Lord, Lord" in Matthew 7 not saved if their lip service belief was all God found in their hearts.

This has nothing to do with what I wrote. What's your point?

The point of Matt. 7:22 is that they talked a good game but did not believe.

 

[MB]

You may believe what you will, but Jesus says many seek the narrow gate that leads to life, but do not find it. Thus not easy!
The rich young ruler did not find it. Some of the soils of Matthew 13 did not find it. The folks of Matthew 7 did not find it.

I'm not concerned I know I've found it. Believing in election for your self is the same as claiming to be a Jew. It is replacement theology for a Gentile. You still believe in it and it is not Biblical. Being Chosen for Salvation and being elect are two different things. You are not the people of God unless you are a Jew.
MB

 

[Van]

This has nothing to do with what I wrote. What's your point?
The point of Matt. 7:22 is that they talked a good game but did not believe.

They proclaimed Lord Lord, thus professed belief. And professing belief is easy. So easy belief might not according to scripture result in salvation. It is not easy for the rich to turn loose of worldly treasure. It is not easy to stand firm when persecuted. Easy Believism is obviously false doctrine, whether you deny it or not.

 

[Van]

I'm not concerned I know I've found it. Believing in election for your self is the same as claiming to be a Jew. It is replacement theology for a Gentile. You still believe in it and it is not Biblical. Being Chosen for Salvation and being elect are two different things. You are not the people of God unless you are a Jew.
MB

MB endlessly regurgitates his denial that everyone God chooses for salvation is "elect." His claims are obviously false.

 

[MB]

MB endlessly regurgitates his denial that everyone God chooses for salvation is "elect." His claims are obviously false.

According to you no one is saved unless they agree with you. I agree with scripture. You make up what you believe. You do not agree with scripture.
MB

 

[Van]

According to you no one is saved unless they agree with you. I agree with scripture. You make up what you believe. You do not agree with scripture.
MB

Yet another you, you you post devoid of topical content.
MB says it is easy for a rich man to believe and enter the kingdom. The Bible says otherwise.
MB posts Abram (Abraham) was not chosen, not elect, yet the Bible says otherwise.

Jesus says many seek the narrow gate that leads to life, but do not find it. Thus not easy!
The rich young ruler did not find it. Some of the soils of Matthew 13 did not find it. The folks of Matthew 7 did not find it.
Easy Believism is unbiblical and false.

 

[MB]

Yet another you, you you post devoid of topical content.
MB says it is easy for a rich man to believe and enter the kingdom. The Bible says otherwise.
MB posts Abram (Abraham) was not chosen, not elect, yet the Bible says otherwise.

Jesus says many seek the narrow gate that leads to life, but do not find it. Thus not easy!
The rich young ruler did not find it. Some of the soils of Matthew 13 did not find it. The folks of Matthew 7 did not find it.
Easy Believism is unbiblical and false.

Abraham was not one of the elect of God and neither are you.Your hypocritical statements about me shows what kind of person you really are.
MB

 

[John of Japan]

They proclaimed Lord Lord, thus professed belief. And professing belief is easy. So easy belief might not according to scripture result in salvation.

So then, do you see no difference between actually possessing belief and claiming to possess it?

It is not easy for the rich to turn loose of worldly treasure. It is not easy to stand firm when persecuted. Easy Believism is obviously false doctrine, whether you deny it or not.

If you are saying that to be saved one must turn loose of worldly treasure, and stand firm when persecuted, those are works, not faith. Either of these may be performed by someone who claims faith but does not have it.

 

[tyndale1946]

So then, do you see no difference between actually possessing belief and claiming to possess it?

If you are saying that to be saved one must turn loose of worldly treasure, and stand firm when persecuted, those are works, not faith. Either of these may be performed by someone who claims faith but does not have it.

I'm so glad that scriptures teaches man looks on the outward appearance but the Lord is the only one that can look on the heart... How is your heart?... Brother Glen

1 Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

 

[John of Japan]

I'm so glad that scriptures teaches man looks on the outward appearance but the Lord is the only one that can look on the heart... How is your heart?... Brother Glen

1 Samuel 16:7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

Saved through the blood of Jesus Christ my Savior.

 

[37818]

Easy Believism is unbiblical and false.

A false accusation.
Jesus actually warned against Lordship salvation, Matthew 7:21-23.

 

[Van]

Abraham was not one of the elect of God and neither are you.Your hypocritical statements about me shows what kind of person you really are.
MB

I am the kind of person who knows what Neh. says....

 

[Van]

So then, do you see no difference between actually possessing belief and claiming to possess it?

If you are saying that to be saved one must turn loose of worldly treasure, and stand firm when persecuted, those are works, not faith. Either of these may be performed by someone who claims faith but does not have it.

Sir, you seem unaware of Easy Believism, whereby a lack of commitment results in an unchanged life.

Jesus says many seek the narrow gate that leads to life, but do not find it. Thus not easy!
The rich young ruler did not find it. Some of the soils of Matthew 13 did not find it. The folks of Matthew 7 did not find it. Is it easy to lean not on our own understanding?

 

[Van]

A false accusation.
Jesus actually warned against Lordship salvation, Matthew 7:21-23.

Timothy 3:12
Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.

 

[Van]

Easy entry into Christ is taught no where in scripture. An easy time after actual entry is taught no where in scripture. If entry were easy, Jesus would not teach many seek entry but do not find it.

It is not easy to trust in Christ alone and not rely upon our own understanding. It is hard to turn loose of worldly treasure. Recall the rich young ruler?

And once God puts an individual into Christ, rather than going with the flow, they stand firm for Christ, and that is not easy either.

Easy Believism is unbiblical false doctrine.

 

[37818]

. . . a lack of commitment . . . .

Genuine salvation is by way of God's commitment to save and keep whom He saves, so Jesus explained to those who did not believe, John 10:26-28.

 

[37818]

Easy Believism is unbiblical false doctrine.

Again, a false accusation.

 

[Revmitchell]

Genuine salvation is by way of God's commitment to save and keep whom He saves, so Jesus explained to those who did not believe, John 10:26-28.

Which doesnt negate the need for the recipient to intend to follow Jesus.

 

[John of Japan]

Sir, you seem unaware of Easy Believism, whereby a lack of commitment results in an unchanged life.

I won my first soul to Christ at age 4, was a missionary to Japan for 33 years (doing cross cultural evangelism and church planting), and I teach seminary theology. I think I know what people call easy believism by now; however, I may not know what you are calling it specifically.

Jesus says many seek the narrow gate that leads to life, but do not find it. Thus not easy!
The rich young ruler did not find it. Some of the soils of Matthew 13 did not find it. The folks of Matthew 7 did not find it. Is it easy to lean not on our own understanding?

This is not enlightening. It might help if you defined what you mean by easy believism. Do you mean what some people call lordship salvation? Do you mean something to do with repentance? There are different brands of opposition to different definitions of the subject.