Acts of the Apostles 8:13, 20-24. 'Simon [Magus] himself believed and was baptized. And he followed Philip everywhere............Peter answered, "May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! You have no part or share in this ministry because your heart is not right before God. Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord. Perhaps he will forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin." The Simon answered, "Pray to the Lord for me so that nothing you have said may happen to me."'
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Easy believism.
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While Van figures out which version of easy believism he is opposing:
Some think it is wrong to refer to salvation as a decision. I have a pamphlet by James E. Adams that says so, Decisional Regeneration. I find that position patently ridiculous. The Bible is full of choices: "Choose you this day...," etc. The command "Believe" presupposes a decision to obey it or not to obey.
Zane Hodges has an interesting book on salvation, Absolutely Free! Here's a quote: "Equally objectionable is the phrase 'easy believism.' Presumably the opposite would be 'hard believism'" (p. 29). That sounds ridiculous, too.
What would "hard believism" look like? Straining and straining to believe, maybe "praying through" at the altar like the old timers talked about, straining and straining until you finally prayed enough (prayer is a work, you know) to arrive at faith?
Some think it is wrong to refer to salvation as a decision. I have a pamphlet by James E. Adams that says so, Decisional Regeneration. I find that position patently ridiculous. The Bible is full of choices: "Choose you this day...," etc. The command "Believe" presupposes a decision to obey it or not to obey.
Zane Hodges has an interesting book on salvation, Absolutely Free! Here's a quote: "Equally objectionable is the phrase 'easy believism.' Presumably the opposite would be 'hard believism'" (p. 29). That sounds ridiculous, too.
What would "hard believism" look like? Straining and straining to believe, maybe "praying through" at the altar like the old timers talked about, straining and straining until you finally prayed enough (prayer is a work, you know) to arrive at faith?
37818
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So am I to understand you believe salvation depends on man's will? John 1:12-13.
Did the Apostles intend to follow Jesus before he called them to Himself?
Did JOJ define Easy Believism? Nope of course not.
Easy entry into Christ is taught no where in scripture. An easy time after actual entry is taught no where in scripture. If entry were easy, Jesus would not teach many seek entry but do not find it.
It is not easy to trust in Christ alone and not rely upon our own understanding. It is hard to turn loose of worldly treasure. Recall the rich young ruler?
And once God puts an individual into Christ, rather than going with the flow, they stand firm for Christ, and that is not easy either.
Easy Believism is unbiblical false doctrine.
Proverbs 3:5 (NASB)
Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
While JOJ avoids defining his view of EASY BELIEVISM.....
He offers strawmen to deflect...
Easy entry into Christ is taught no where in scripture. An easy time after actual entry is taught no where in scripture. If entry were easy, Jesus would not teach many seek entry but do not find it.
It is not easy to trust in Christ alone and not rely upon our own understanding. It is hard to turn loose of worldly treasure. Recall the rich young ruler?
And once God puts an individual into Christ, rather than going with the flow, they stand firm for Christ, and that is not easy either.
Easy Believism is unbiblical false doctrine.
Proverbs 3:5 (NASB)
Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
Do you believe God can limit His knowledge or not.
You are spot on there, please delete all you "improper" posts on this thread.
While JOJ avoids defining his view of EASY BELIEVISM.....
My view:
Easy entry into Christ is taught no where in scripture. An easy time after actual entry is taught no where in scripture. If entry were easy, Jesus would not teach many seek entry but do not find it. Luke 13:24
It is not easy to trust in Christ alone and not rely upon our own understanding. It is hard to turn loose of worldly treasure. Recall the rich young ruler? (Luke 18:22-24)
And once God puts an individual into Christ, rather than going with the flow, they stand firm for Christ, and that is not easy either.
Easy Believism is unbiblical false doctrine.
Proverbs 3:5 (NASB)
Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
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Luke 18:22-24 NASB
When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. And Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!
Easy Believism is unbiblical false doctrine.
When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. And Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!
Easy Believism is unbiblical false doctrine.
No, it depends on Christs finished work on the cross, His penal substitution. Our response is irrelevant to what it depends on.
Okay, I have no idea what "improper" posts are meant.
My view is that really, there is no such thing as "easy believism" (though the views of some "free grace" authors come close). It's a straw man, so it can't be defined. Advocates of those views I've mentioned only use it to criticize. And since Van can't or won't define his term, I'm out of here. He obviously does not want to actually interact with me, and I'll respect that.
Did JOJ claim he did not know which posts he had posted on this thread addressed to me? Yes - an example of the use of absurdity to defend banality.Okay, I have no idea what "improper" posts are meant.
My view is that really, there is no such thing as "easy believism" (though the views of some "free grace" authors come close). It's a straw man, so it can't be defined. Advocates of those views I've mentioned only use it to criticize. And since Van can't or won't define his term, I'm out of here. He obviously does not want to actually interact with me, and I'll respect that.
Did JOJ claim I had not "defined" my term? Whose term is it. Look at the OP and thread title. On and on folks, on and on....
My view:
Easy entry into Christ is taught no where in scripture. An easy time after actual entry is taught no where in scripture. If entry were easy, Jesus would not teach many seek entry but do not find it. Luke 13:24
It is not easy to trust in Christ alone and not rely upon our own understanding. It is hard to turn loose of worldly treasure. Recall the rich young ruler? (Luke 18:22-24)
And once God puts an individual into Christ, rather than going with the flow, they stand firm for Christ, and that is not easy either.
Easy Believism is unbiblical false doctrine.
Proverbs 3:5 (NASB)
Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
Luke 18:22-24 NASB
When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. And Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!
1Co 16:13
Be on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
"Act like men" seems to refer to the need to be courageous. Thus it is not easy to stand firm against the advocates of false doctrine.
Easy entry into Christ is taught no where in scripture. An easy time after actual entry is taught no where in scripture. If entry were easy, Jesus would not teach many seek entry but do not find it. Luke 13:24
It is not easy to trust in Christ alone and not rely upon our own understanding. It is hard to turn loose of worldly treasure. Recall the rich young ruler? (Luke 18:22-24)
And once God puts an individual into Christ, rather than going with the flow, they stand firm for Christ, and that is not easy either.
Easy Believism is unbiblical false doctrine.
Proverbs 3:5 (NASB)
Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
Luke 18:22-24 NASB
When Jesus heard this, He said to him, “One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.” But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich. And Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for those who are wealthy to enter the kingdom of God!
1Co 16:13
Be on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
"Act like men" seems to refer to the need to be courageous. Thus it is not easy to stand firm against the advocates of false doctrine.
37818
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Again and again you repeat your false accusation.
I was lead to believe in Jesus to be the Christ as my Savior in 1962 at a fundament Baptist church. On the notion I could know for sure. You think teachings found in Romans 3:10, Romans 3:23, Romans 5:12, Romans 6:23, Romans 5:8, Romans 10:9, Romans 10:13, and Revelation 3:20 to be false teachings?
37818
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OP #1 Matthew 11:26-30, John 3:16, 1 John 5:1. Add John 1:12-13, Add 1 John 5:9-13.
I just got off the phone with one of the men at my small group Sunday School table. He's on oxygen and has other problems, making him vulnerable to the pandemic virus, so he's not coming to church right now. I call him twice a week, and today I heard his testimony. When they came to his house and told him how to get saved, he said, "That's too easy!" But he got down on his knees and trusted Christ as Savior. He's been faithful to church and the Lord ever since. It is easy to believe and thus get saved, if it is genuine heartfelt belief.
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I came to this forum a few years ago then left for personal reasons but my circumstances have changed and I have decided to come back. I'm trying to figure out what exactly is being debated in this thread. Please forgive my ignorance.
What exactly is "easy believism"?
Is it "I'm saved because I said the sinner's prayer and no matter what happens the rest of my life I'm saved because I said that prayer"?
Is it "As long as I believe in Jesus then I'm free to live like I want to live"?
Is it "The Gospel is easy to understand and respond to in faith"?
Is it something else and I'm missing the point entirely?
What exactly is "easy believism"?
Is it "I'm saved because I said the sinner's prayer and no matter what happens the rest of my life I'm saved because I said that prayer"?
Is it "As long as I believe in Jesus then I'm free to live like I want to live"?
Is it "The Gospel is easy to understand and respond to in faith"?
Is it something else and I'm missing the point entirely?
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