Redemption

You have cited Galatians 3:9 and 13 multiple times in this thread; it is disingenuous to talk about faith being "credited" as righteousness while referencing that chapter and claim verse 6 (the "context") wasn't specifically cited. This is distraction over substance. Please try supporting the claim that salvation faith is "credited" as righteousness. Referencing Abraham's faith in God's promise (whatever your source) is erroneous and unpersuasive; that example of living faith has zero to do with the point of salvation.

If you are not violating context, then why do you cite Romans 4:24 and proceed to conflate its reference to ongoing faith in God the Father as a believer with saving faith in Jesus Christ at the point of salvation?

p.s. I am not a Calvinist, a fact clear to anyone who pays attention to my posts.

 

What justifies us then? our faith or the Lord Jesus death and resurrection?

 

Scripture supports the five points only if the adjectives are removed.

Yes, you did conflate saving and living faith. You did so by quoting Romans 4:23-25 as support for what happens at salvation, when that is manifestly NOT what Paul is talking about. Abraham (already saved) believed the promise of God that he and his seed would "inherit the world" (Romans 4:13) and that faith was credited εἰς - unto, with a view toward - righteousness.

Your phrase "righteous faith" is not scriptural; faith is not righteous or righteousness, righteousness is "from faith" (Romans 10:6). Paul in Romans 4:23-25 is not speaking of righteousness imputed from Christ at the point of salvation, he is talking about believers walking by faith in God's promises . That same righteousness is "about to be" (μέλλει) credited to us "who are believers" (present active participle) in the One who raised Christ from the dead, i.e. the Father. God the Father is not the object of saving faith, He is the object of our living faith.

We come to the Father through Christ (John 14:6) and trust Him for provision, blessing. and righteousness (Matthew 6:31-33).

 

The Lords death Justified them He died for, and His resurrection declares that Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

 

Just the Son did at that time, not the Father or Spirit!

 

Annexed with this redemption through Christ, strictly by His death is forgiveness of sins. Lets look at two scriptures where this is true Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Col 1:14

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

The elect have these blessings before they even realize it, redemption and forgiveness of sins. There's no such thing as Christ dying for one and they dont as a result have redemption and forgiveness through His Blood, because its through Christ alone.13

 

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Says nothing about the blood of Christ here. Im talking about redemption through His Blood

You sound confused. I speaking about what Christ did by His Blood

Right for those He died for. They were in Him since before the foundation, chosen in Him Eph 1:4-7

You really sound confused. Gods Chosen people have always been in Christ Eph 1:4

Col 1:14

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

The elect have these blessings before they even realize it, redemption and forgiveness of sins. There's no such thing as Christ dying for one and they dont as a result have redemption and forgiveness through His Blood, because its through Christ alone.

 

Does 2 Pet 2:1 say anything about people being bought by the blood of Christ ? Yes or No ?

 

What's redemption through Christ ?
Its also Justification freely, notice Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

This is an unbelievable result from redemption, that religionist cant accept, and that's if Christ died for one, they are freely Justified by His Grace through redemption that is in Christ Jesus. The religionist insists that faith is a condition for this free justification, but that's a erroneous teaching that detracts from redemption.14

 

Romans 3;24-25, ". . . Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith . . . ."

 

All 3 are equally God, but Jesus was the only One who accepted limitations of the human flesh!

 

he was a human, so willingly accepted those limitations while here upon the earth!