799 Days Left Until the Two Witnesses of Revelation Appear in the Spring of 2023 AD

No, the date is uncertain. You don't know it. Your date is impossible, cuz the antichrist hasn't yet come. There's not even a 10-nation confederacy yet.

Many believed the EU was gonna be, & still might be yet but its nations were never too-closely allied. It'll hafta undergo some big changes first, & that won't happen overnight, if at all. Again, your date is impossible.

 

They are two candlesticks and two olive trees.

4 These are the two olive trees and the two menorahs standing before the Lord of the earth.

Why did you not say they are the two olive trees? Are Moses and Elijah the two candlesticks or two olive trees?

There is also this set of 4:

In the center, around the throne, were four living beings covered with eyes in front and behind.
7 The first living being was like a lion, the second living being was like an ox, the third living being had a face that looked human, and the fourth living being was like a flying eagle.
8 Each of the four living beings had six wings and was covered with eyes inside and out; and day and night they never stop saying,

“Holy, holy, holy is Adonai, God of heaven’s armies
the One who was, who is and who is coming!”

This is all figurative of 4 beings and how they relate in God's creation.

These living beings are not the 24 elders, and not angels, and something more than sons of God (humanity). Also Enoch is Elijah. John lived both in the 1st century and is a witness of Revelation now. Enoch walked with God before the Flood, and sojourned on earth as Elijah at the Time of the Hebrew kingdoms. Elijah is represented by the ox. Moses conversed with God and led Israel out of Egypt. Moses received the Torah from God and is represented by the lion. John was the beloved disciple of Jesus and would not see death until the Second Coming, because like Enoch as Elijah came twice, and is the witness who wrote the Revelation. John represents the Son of Man, in the spirit and power of Christ. John did not put the Transfiguration event in his gospel, but the other 3 claim John was present. John does say this:

12 But to as many as did receive him, to those who put their trust in his person and power, he gave the right to become children of God,
13 not because of bloodline, physical impulse or human intention, but because of God.

14 The Word became a human being and lived with us,
and we saw his Sh’khinah,
the Sh’khinah of the Father’s only Son,
full of grace and truth.

 

Yet you claim 7 years?


Jesus accomplished all that was necessary in 3.5 years at the first coming. Time is not an issue. Most all eschatology ignores the days of Noah in two aspects. The Flood was not a long drawn out affair, but was swift and determined. The 6th Seal puts all the continents back into a single land area, and Gog Megog will put on a totally different national layout, except those nations directly surrounding Israel. Now some alliances are in place, and people will not change, but boundaries and where mountains end up will be totally different after the 6th Seal, Second Coming event.

The Flood changed all boundaries and new nations were made because of these land divisions. God is going to bring all back together as one single land area.

The Flood did not take 3 years. Besides, there is no human AC. There is a False Prophet, Satan, and the image mentioned in Revelation 13. No one can seem to get Revelation 13 correctly interpreted. Calling someone a false prophet, yet coming up with human imagination about even who is in control during Satan's 42 months seems hypocritical. This whole AC conspiracy is a false prophetic phenomenon. John never claims a human as the AC once in Revelation. Yes there will be an AC beast, this alleged satanic messiah, the FP and Satan concoct. The abomination of desolation image they set up and give life to is the only beast that fits the bill of an AC.

 

True. What matters is the Truth.

True. So he is lying through conjectures and suppositions that he has posted.

True. What matters is the Truth.

True. The red Dragon, the current name of the old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan in this time of Revelation, he has 10 horns which have nothing to do with any kind of confederation.

Analyzing more deeply, actually the red Dragon leads and rules all nations in the whole Earth. As we all know, Satan said this to JESUS: Matt.4:v.8-9: - 8 Satan showed to JESUS ALL the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And said unto JESUS, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Daniel 2 is a good source and CLUE to discern about the deep mystery of 10 horns. What matters is the Truth. Daniel 2:v.41-43:

41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes(10 TOES), part of potters' CLAY, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry CLAY.
42 And as the toes of the feet (10) were part of iron, and part of CLAY, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry CLAY, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men(Revelation 11:v.1-2 and 13:v.1): but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with CLAY. (Isaiah 64:v.8)
The Beast of sea (peoples, nations, multitudes and (all) tongues) with his 7 heads and 10 horns, he is linked in the body of the red Dragon. They together will form a monstrous Power in the earth very soon.

Yes, "many believed the EU gonna be" the ten kings (called above as be a "confederation") mainly when, in 1981, Greece becomes the tenth EU Member State, and then was spread that false theory among all the denominational Churches and sects.

No, EU might not be 10 nations mainly because the 10 horns are the CLAY and clay is not associated or mixed with other peoples, and will never be. They are like an island in the midst of the sea (in the midst of peoples, and nations, and multitudes and tongues(all tongues).

True. Your doubt is a proof that only a good understanding refuses to agree with this false theoria, which will not happen according to conjectures, and assumptions, and presumptions, and imaginations as were exposed by Timtofly and Gaviria in their posts, yeah, will not happen NOR BY COINCIDENCE.

True. What was exposed by Gaviria and Timtofly are mere conjectures, and assumptions, and presumptions, and imaginations, to confound the readers, not for to clarify the Truth.

 

You did not answer the questions based in Revelation 11:v.4.

The TWO WITNESSES are the TWO CANDLESTICKS standing before the God of the earth. Revelation 11:v.4

What does candlestick mean in according Scriptures, the source of Truth? What is your answer according Scriptures? The point of the question is only one: What does Candlesticks mean according to the Scriptures? The question is not about what you think or imagine. What matters and prevails is the Word of God.

See, there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets,...Daniel 2:v.28 - but who is the God of the earth?
As it is written, the TWO WITNESSES are the TWO CANDLESTICKS standing before him, before the God of the earth, who is him?

It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: ... Prov.25:v.2


About the two olive trees:
One is upon the right side of the CANDLESTICKS/TWO WITNESSES standing before the GOD of the earth, and other upon the left side thereof.

 

You did not answer the point that John claims they are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks.

 

The point of the question is only one: What does Candlesticks mean according to the Scriptures? The question is not about what you think or imagine. What matters and prevails is the Word of God. The Word is God, understand? What does Candlesticks mean according to the Scriptures?

 

No: the living beings are Seraphim, a special class of created beings that minister to God all the time. Elijah's father was Savah, & he came from a place called Tishbe, also called Thisbe, in Gilead, now in western Jordan. His likeness in actions was John The Baptist, whose mother & father are well-known. Enoch was Enoch & the disciple John was the son of Zebedee, younger bro of James The Greater.

Your stuff reex of eastern mysticism, with reincarnation, etc.

 

My, MY, are you Stephen King under a pseudonym? You make up sci-fi as he does.

We're not talking about the flood, an event that occurred even before the Old Covenant was made, as there were no Israelis then.

Scripture plainly shows the AC & FP will be MEN. They'll be cast alive into the LOF when Jesus returns, while Satan will be banished to "the abyss", but not yet into the LOF. He will be freed when the millenium of Jesus' rule of the earth ends, then, he will be cast into the LOF where the AC & FP already are. That's SCRIPTURE!

 

The EU may be a forerunner/warning of a coming world empire, same as Napoleon & Hitler were forerunners/warnings about nthe coming antichrist & how easily he will quickly assume power, admired by almost everyone, & even more-so after the rapture occurs.

Right now, there's no one who appears to be moving to assume that role. No world celebrity is that-popular. I believe he will come outta "nowhere", same as Nap & Adolf did. Some wise Christians will trace his ancestry as his power grows & see he's of Roman ancestry. At some point in his career, he will be indwelt by Satan & his power & ability will explode over the earth. He will become the greatest demagogue & public speaker ever, & his popularity will be the greatest in history.

I believe the final nail which will complete his ascent to power will be that he brokers a deal between Jew & Moslem, seemingly ending their long conflict & causing Israel to disarm & become "a land of unwalled villages". If we're still alive then, "look up, for your redemption draws near."

 

My own prediction now: the time will come and your prophecy will fail and you will either:

a) not show up here again, or do so under a different account

b) claim it was fulfilled indeed, but "spiritually" so, like the JWs and the Adventists do.

c) claim it was postponed for reason x

Take note brethen.

 

Your faith description as "seeking Christ" is your own testimony against yourself that you haven't found him yet.

 

Answering a question with a question is avoiding the answer. I will take that as your answer being, "I do not care to answer your questions".

 

It is called symbolism. Since you gave no Bible answer, I will take a pass on man made explanations.

 

A dispy accusing a preterist of having a big imagination

 

No, I am not avoiding the answer, absolutely, I consider you are lying, it because my point is to know from you if you understand the significance of candlesticks. It's it.

On the other hand, you claim "John claims they are the two olive trees and the two candlesticks"; so you lie also in this you are claiming in your preaching by post #46, because it is not John who claims what you just wrote.

Furthermore, you are being hypocritical saying to me "Answering a question with a question is avoiding the answer. I will take that as your answer being, "I do not care to answer your questions". In my post #36 I asked: What does candlestick mean for you? What does candlestick mean in according Scripture, the source of Truth? ... who is the God of the earth?
Even you answered the questions of my post #36 with questions of your post #42, saying as follow:

I had said in my post #36 you replied: If you think the two witnesses are Moses and Elyjah, or Elyjah and Enoch, or Moses and Enoch, you are completely wrong, they are already in heaven for millennia-Revelation chapter 4 and 5. By the Word of God, as was revealed by JESUS, if you believe in Him, Candlesticks are not persons.

Oseas3, Saturday at 12:38 AM post #36
The discussions here are about Scriptures. Theories and misinterpretations about two witnesses have long been spread on Christian websites, they are very old, so old as the old false New Testament prophets.

The two witnesses are the two CANDLESTICKS standing before the God of the earth. Revelation 11:v.4

What does candlestick mean for you? What does candlestick mean in according Scripture, the source of Truth?

There is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets,...Daniel 2:v.28 - but who is the God of the earth?

As is written, the two witnesses are two candlesticks standing before him, before the God of the earth, who is him?

It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: ... Prov.25:v.2

By the way, if you think the two witnesses are Moses and Elyjah, or Elyjah and Enoch, or Moses and Enoch, you are completely wrong, they are already in heaven for millennia-Revelation chapter 4 and 5. By the Word of God, as was revealed by JESUS, if you believe in Him, Candlesticks are not persons.

 

Yet they die, and rise again.

 

But you GAVE a man-made explanation, which is all guesswork.

 

I'm not a dispy. That's another pret falsehood, calling anyone who disagrees with their nonsense a "dispy".

 

To die, must FIRST be born here in this world, right? If you think the two witnesses are Moses and Elyjah, or Elyjah and Enoch, or Moses and Enoch, you are completely wrong. By the way, weren't they born yet? For me there is no answer for this question, I am sure this event will never happen, except for the sowers of tares as you are doing through your guessing, and speculations, and imaginations, and suppositions or mere conjectures, never by revelation.

It's amazing or impressive that you don't know what candlesticks are, as revealed in the Word of God. The Word is God, understand?

JESUS warned: Matthew 12:v.36-37
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment. - This Day arrived -
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.