Are you saying that the Hebrew and Greek that the Originals were written down is is NOT the final authority over the Kjv?
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Who Is the Giver of Life By KJV Scripture?
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George Antonios
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Are you saying you don't have one verse to prove your humanistic position?
SavedByGrace
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George Antonios
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another wasted reply!
You're right, for humanistically-minded Christian, asking for scriptural support is always a waste of time.
Hark
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Thank you for your suggestion done in love but I have to point out something. This anti KJV vibe wasn't gained by learning Greek grammar. You learned that from someone else, right? You even referenced someone else to insist on what the Greek grammar or shall I say the punctuation meant. So I fail to see how learning from the Greek Grammar will help me reach your point of view.
Did you know Bible scholars thought the behemoth was an elephant or a hippo in Job 40th chapter? Neither one moves its tail like a cedar which is a tree.
Education has its limit as I say once again, wisdom comes from the Lord.
Hark
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Thanks for the clarity.
Hark
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I agree. but it is an assumption to believe that is what God the Father wants in how to honor Him by in worship.
Plus in getting back to the OP, scripture points to the Son to come to for life as He is the bread of life that gives life to the world.
The debate about whether or not spirit should be capitalize to give the Holy Spirit the credit for giving life should have been settled but it is on God to cause the increase to wake up believers & churches about unscriptural teachings & practices.
Scripture cannot go against scripture for why the lost books are not in the accepted bible. With so many Bibles out there & they are not all saying the same thing, it is time for individual believes to prove all things by Jesus Christ to fins which Bible loved Him to keep the truths in His words since Old Testament testified of the Word of God, then why would the New Testament be any different in seeking His glory?.
Hark
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1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. KJV
do you not find it odd that those who refer to the Greek & Hebrew do not rely only on the Lord Jesus Christ for learning this, but often refer to other teachers by how they got this anti-KJV only vibe while supposedly only learning the Greek & Hebrew??
Which has final authority for doctrines and practices, ther Hebrew AND Greek texts , or the kjv?
Hark
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Jesus Christ because cults reading the KJV by their false point of view, can just be reading only selected passages for their point of view rather taking the whole of scripture to align the truth in His words to expose the lies they are in.
This can happen with any Bible, but if you want the meat of His words you will find the Lord proving the KJV as lining the truths with one another in that Bible for you to discern with Him good & evil by.
Does the Greek correct the Kjv, or does the Kjv correct the Greek text?
Hark
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Jesus Christ does.
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25 Brethren, pray for us. ~ KJV
When they disagree, which one takes precedence?
Hark
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Scripture testify Who scriptures is to testify of; Jesus Christ the Lord John 5:39-40 but only Jesus can help you see the truth in His words. You can't have the scripture testifying of the Son in seeking His glory in the O.T. to suddenly switch in the N.T to talking about Someone Else to go to for life. John 5:39-40 has Jesus saying the scriptures are to bring you to Him for life.
Dave G
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Speaking for myself, the preserved Greek and Hebrew texts ( the "Textus Receptus" or "Received Text" and the Ben Chayiim Hebrew ) always correct any translation and are the foundation for such.
Also, I'm convinced that the "KJV" is so close to those that it does not need much, if any, correction to be considered as faithful to those texts.
In fact, I consider the "KJV" to be far superior to anything else in the English that is in print today.
Which one do you think takes precedence?
I've yet to see you answer most of the questions that you pose to others, so I'm curious, Dave.
When a translation disagrees with another translation, which one takes precedence?
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The Nas and Kjv are equal as translations, and the original language texts would be final authority!
Dave G
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Since the NASB's New Testament is built on the "Critical Text" in the Greek,
and the "KJV"s New Testament is built upon the "Received Text" in the Greek,
then they are not ( and never will be ) in any way "equal" in their manuscript bases ( nor in their authority ), my friend.
Two differing collated Greek textual manuscript bases cannot both be equal...it is a literal impossibility.
Therefore, the two translations are in no way equal, as their equality is based on a complete 1-to-1 agreement in Greek words, which does not exist.
One is better, and one is worse;
Depending on which perspective one holds about the manuscripts that were used during their translation.
One is corrupt, and one is faithful...
One is the word of God and one contains the words of God;
Again, depending on which "foundation" the work was performed from, and which set of Greek and Hebrew / Aramaic texts one considers to be the actual preserved word of God in the original languages.
Amen, and I agree wholeheartedly with you here.
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Hark
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Do you agree for why the lost books are not in the Bible because of them going against what is written in the accepted scripture of the Bible?
Then what happens when the KJV disagree with the NIV or vice versa?
Did you know that there are some believers that believe they are in the process of being saved as in they are not saved yet? Catholics believes this; there are others though. Here is why.
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. NIV
1 Corinthians 1:21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. NIV
Here is the KJV below.
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God..... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. KJV
I know only God can help them see the truth in His words as kept in the KJV, but the NIV supports their false teachings that they are in the process of being saved. No matter how hard you point to verse 21 in the NIV, just because verse 18 is written the way that it is, they have doubt in His words that they are saved.
That is why I prefer to rely only on the KJV because the truth lines up verse 18 with verse 21 & along with the rest of scripture that we are saved when we had come to & believed in Jesus Christ. Something to pray about, brother.
Hark
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My eyesight is getting bad. I read that as NIV rather than NASB The NASB still reads the same as the NIV.
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. NASB
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God...21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. KJV
To correct false teachings, I find I need the KJV as holding the meat of His words as verse 18 does not oppose verse 21 whereas verse 18 in the NASB will sow doubts in His words towards verse 21 & other scripture as well.
Of course, with all that anti-KJV Onlyism prejudices out there, getting believers that err to rely only on the KJV to discern good & evil by it is on God to lead them to do..