Supposedly "KJV Only" Refuted At This Link

Supposedly, "KJV Only" is refuted at this site.

"KJV Only" advocates refuted!

I am opening a thread to address the claim to prove or reprove with His help all that is being presented at that site for our discussion where hopefully, iron sharpening iron can take place on both sides of this discussion.

There is a lot of information at that site so picking certain points out of it in making a small post to prove or disprove is okay, but you are free to address all points but try to limit a point or a few points per post since members do not like to read long posts.

Thanks in advance for sharing either side for this discussion by His grace & by His help for teh edifying of the body in Christ's love.

 

They begin at that site by announcing this as #1 point at the Introductory notes heading at the top of the page at that link in the OP.

"1. Foremost, we feel that the KJV is an EXCELLENT translation, but not the ONLY excellent translation."

The reason I am relying on the KJV only is because truth in one part of scripture aligns with the same truth in other parts of scripture. This is how the lost books of the Bible were not considered scripture because certain parts in the lost books were running against scripture in the accepted books of the Bible.

Jesus said this regarding a necessity to discern which Bible was kept by those who loved Him & His words because there will be those who did not love Him & His words to keep them.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. ~ KJV

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. KJV

So while they contend for their #1 point at that site, my definition of an excellent Bible is keeping the truths in His words as scripture cannot oppose scripture in that Bible.

All modern Bibles will keep the truth in John 16:13 in that the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself in uttering His own words because He can only speak what He hears. This truth can be read altogether at bible Gateway in the Amplified Bible, the NASB, the ESV, the Living Bible, & NIV at this link below.

John 16:13 AMP;NASB;ESV;TLB;NIV - But when He, the Spirit of Truth, - Bible Gateway

But it does not keep the truth in Romans 8:26-27 of that same Bible by testifying the Holy Spirit can speak for Himself by uttering His groanings.

Romans 8:26-27 AMP,NASB,ESV,TLB,NIV - Our Victory in Christ - In the same way - Bible Gateway

To be fair, there are some modern Bibles keeping the truths in His words in regards to John 16:13 with Romans 8:26-27 like the KJV does like the ASV. CEV, & Darby to name a few.

John 16:13 in KJV, ASV, CEV, & Darby

John 16:13 KJV,ASV,CEV,DARBY - Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, - Bible Gateway

Romans 8:26-27 in KJV, ASV, CEV, & Darby

Romans 8:26-27 KJV;ASV;CEV;DARBY - Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our - Bible Gateway

The point of this meat to discern good & evil by it, is that the Holy Spirit cannot use God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people by turning it around for His own use as if to utter His prayers in gibberish nonsense, not even in groans.

In this pruning process of knowing which Bible versions keeps the truth in His words, there are other eliminations for why I rely on the KJV to reprove the works of darkness whereas other modern version sows doubts like 1 Corinthians 1:18 whereby only Darby version is the same as the KJV without sowing doubt in the footnote in the ASV or written otherwise in the verse as in the CEV. Trying to correct believers that believe they are in the process of being saved instead of are saved is crucial.

1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV;ASV;CEV;DARBY - For the preaching of the cross is to - Bible Gateway

In keeping the truths in His words that the Son gives life, the spirit is not capitalized in 2 Corinthians 3:6 for why Darby got eliminated, leaving me with the KJV to be the only Bible to rely on. Note how the ASV kept the s in spirit as small.

2 Corinthians 3:6 KJV;ASV;CEV;DARBY - Who also hath made us able ministers of - Bible Gateway

This is for the point of truth to why I rely on the KJV for the meat of His words for reproving false teachings & false spirits. That is an excellent Bible for me.

 

You mean this #2 below in quote from the site?

"In over 90 percent of the New Testament, readings are identical word-for-word, regardless of the family. Of the remaining ten percent, MOST of the differences between the texts are fairly irrelevant, such as calling the Lord "Christ Jesus" instead of "Jesus Christ," or putting the word "the" before a noun. Less than two percent would significantly alter the meaning of a passage, and NONE of them would contradict or alter any of the basic points of Christian doctrine. What we have, then, is a dispute concerning less than one-half of one percent of the Bible. The other 99.5% we all agree on!"

If you read post # 3, I gave examples for how not all modern bibles are in agreement & do change the meaning of His words for why false teachings cannot be reproved except by the meat in the KJV for they kept the truths in His words to not go against other truths in scripture in that same Bible.

When modern day scripture is going against the truth in scripture in that same Bible version, that sows doubts in His words, & there is no definitive way to correct others of false teachings & false spirits.

 

None that you can see. By His grace & by His help, I see the differences for why I see the KJV keeping the truths in His words whereas modern Bibles do not. Only Jesus can help you se that.

 

Actually the NASB supported the false testimony that the the Holy Spirit gives life per 2 Corinthians 3:6 & John 6:63 in spite of the clear verses that the Son is the One that gives life per John 6:27 John 6:33 John 6:35 John 10:11 John 10:28 John 17:2 & 1 John 5:11-12 even in that same NASB.

So which Bible is correct? Scripture even testified to Who scripture is to testify of to come to for life & that is Jesus John 5:39-40

So there is no doubt in my mind Who is the Giver of Life and which Bible version does not oppose any truth in scripture that would take away the testimony of the Son for seekers to come to for life without confusing Who to come to life for.

 

Since 2 or 3 Witnesses are needed for the One God to establish a testimony, one can say God the Father & the Holy Spirit did.

John 8:17 says that 2 men aka witnesses are required to establish a true witness or a true testimony among men. For God the Father to bear witness from Heaven regarding Jesus is His Son, the witness of the Holy Spirit alighting on Jesus confirmed the word spoken from Heaven as true in Matthew 3:15-17.

Romans 6:4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. KJV

Galatians 1:1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead KJV

Romans 8:11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. KJV

I 'd say God the Father & the Spirit of the Father did raise Jesus from the dead as scripture testifies to both having taken part in this as scripture testified to this.

 

The standard of keeping His words as aligned with the other truths in His words in that same Bible version is why I rely on the KJV. I had used the NIV & the NASB growing up, but the Lord led me to rely only on the KJV for the meat in His words to reprove the works of darkness that other modern bibles sows doubts to those reproofs. Just saying.. only God can help you discern that, but you have to discern that with Him; not just put it off till He forces you to see it. You have to be willing to be pruned if pruning comes .. not from me,, but confirmation by Him. You & I should always be ready to be prune to bear more fruit.

John 15:1-2

 

I have shown you before but you seem to be glossing over them in favor of the vanity of number of posting. Kind of hard for me to believe you will read my post.

NASB implies that the Holy Spirit can utter groans in Romans 8:26 contrary to John 16:13 in that same NASB, that He cannot speak or utter on His own when He can only speak what He hears.

NASB defers the testimony & glory away from the Son as the Giver of life to the Spirit in 2 Corinthians 3:6 & John 6:63 but KJV & few other modern bibles keeps the spirit small " s " as not referring to the Holy Spirit but in vital principle or mental mindset.

Are you going to address those references or not in how the message is not the same nor can it be saying a better translation?

 

Still deflecting from the questions you were asked. I had shown you how the NASB is different & how the message was changed, but again you ask another question as if you are not following the progression of our discussion for what you are replying towards.

In response to your comment;

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. KJV

You cannot give the Spirit the sole credit for that & more importantly, scripture is to testify of Jesus as our Creator as nothing was made unless by Him.

John 1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.... 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not...14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. KJV

As for taken part of raising Jesus bodily from the dead as if that sole credit goes to only the Holy Spirit...I point out that whatever the Holy Sprit does, He does to glorify the Other as in this case; God the Father in regards to the resurrection

John 5:21For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. KJV

Romans 6:4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. KJV

Galatians 1:1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead ~ KJV

So everything has to be in alignment with the truth in other scriptures as the Holy Spirit did take part in raising Christ from the dead but He would give the credit & that glory to God the father as he does with His ministry in the body of Christ to Christ.

Believers may think I am being a stickler for this issue but what we hear out there floating around without proving or disproving by the scriptures is how believers give the sole credit to the Holy Spirit when scripture testifies otherwise like Who draws men unto the Son & Who is the Creator of Man & Who raised Christ from the dead.

 

Not when I am referring to scripture about the role of the Holy Spirit in being the Perfect Witness by testifying of the Son ( John 15:26 ) to glorify the Son ( John 16:13-14 ) & He does that thru us ( John 15:27 ) Those who do the same as what the Spirit has been sent to do, are led by the Spirit & scripture to do that.

Those who do not but include the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son are doing what man led them to do by the Nicene creed of 381 A.D. which cannot be supported nor proven by any scripture in the Bible let alone taught to the church to do.