Does Your Church Practice Excommunication?

Does your denominational church practice excommunication?

Jesus taught excommunication for those who have gone astray & refuse to repent.

Matthew 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish. 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Of course, if they later on repent, they are allowed back in.

Paul taught for the church to excommunicate. in 1 Corinthians 5:1-13

May we see how 1 Corinthians 5:4-5 mirrors how God will judge His House at the rapture by excommunicating saved believers that the Baptist church should have excommunicated, by casting them into the bed of the great tribulation when Satan will wage war on the saints to kill them off. but their spirits are still saved.

If this is the requirement for fellowship & eating with fellow believers, in 1 Corinthians 5:8-11 then we can see why God will disqualify those saved but unrepentant saints & former but still saved believers in being left behind as excommunicated.

That is why the call to repent is important so believers that have gone astray may go to Jesus for help to see the truth as well as their need of Him to deliver them from their sins & help keep them from those sins to be of the firstfruits of the resurrection as a vessel unto honor in His House as opposed to be being left behind which is where all the vessels unto dishonor comes from that are still in His House.. 2 Timothy 2:10-26

So does your denominational church practice excommunication or do they leave them alone & preach from the pulpit, hoping they will repent soon? Please state what denomination you are speaking for, if any, or if it is an independent church or whatever. Thanks.

 

Since I am only referring to present day,, thanks for sharing.

As far as the canon law of the Catholic Church on the internet goes, they believe excommunication means exclusion from communion within the Catholic Church as a coercive measure to bring about obedience. Does the internet has it right?

Again, thanks for sharing.

 

Thank you for sharing.

FYI I disagree with Catholicism to be clear. I believe when a Catholic believes in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God raised Him from the dead, they are saved even if the Catholic Catechism teaches them to believer otherwise. I have heard some Catholics believe what I believe but still stay in the Catholic Church. I am not sure how any devout Catholic can see their faith when they remain in it. They may hear them say they believe they are saved, but I would think from their point of view that they must not really believe they are saved if they remain in the Catholic Church for why the devout believed they are saved by. In other words, for devout Catholics to see Catholics that believed they are saved by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God raised Him from the dead, they would have to leave the Catholic Church for devout Catholics to see their faith in Christ.

Anyway, I say to you that if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God raised him from the dead, you are saved. That is how any believer can tell others about the Good News when Jesus Christ has saved us & thus is our Savior.

Something to ponder about in prayer to Jesus Christ at that throne of grace; Hebrews 4:12-16 Thanks again for sharing.

 

I understand that there are cafeteria Catholics as they do not believe in everything Catholicism teaches as per their Catechism, but what do you say to this portion of the Catholic Catechism?

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337 ~ Catholic Catechism

#846 is for explaining no salvation outside the Catholic Church. # 847 is why the current Pope do not want Catholics to convert unbelievers as they see them as already saved.

Then there is that one where if a Catholic does not persevere in charity, they are not saved.

837 "Fully incorporated into the society of the Church are those who, possessing the Spirit of Christ, accept all the means of salvation given to the Church together with her entire organization, and who - by the bonds constituted by the profession of faith, the sacraments, ecclesiastical government, and communion - are joined in the visible structure of the Church of Christ, who rules her through the Supreme Pontiff and the bishops. Even though incorporated into the Church, one who does not however persevere in charity is not saved. He remains indeed in the bosom of the Church, but 'in body' not 'in heart.'"321

This is where I got the impression that Catholics are not saved yet because they are still working for it by persevering in charity to obtain it. If they sop, it reads to me that they are not saved.

If you care to clarify or explain that to me, I am open to your correction, however, it reads to me that way. At any rate, when Catholics say they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God raised him from the dead & they believe they are saved, it would be hard for devout Catholics to see their faith if they are remaining in the catholic Church to stay saved.

As it is, I am referring to what the Catholic Catechism says devout Catholics are supposed to believe & so if you do not believe as the Catholic Catechism says, that might clear some things up, but if I am reading it wrong, feel free to correct.

 

Not Catholic. Former Presbyterian. I align with the Baptist's faith as the body of believers that did not come out of the Catholic church with the Protestant but not belonging to any Baptist church, but identifying with the Bereans & the disciples at Antioch.

At least as I understand history of that Baptist affiliation in where I identify myself as a disciple of Jesus Christ rather than a disciple of a church since that Baptist church would only identify themselves as a disciple of Jesus Christ in serving Him in seeking His glory..

 

Christians are warned by Christ to be ready or else get left behind.. so...exposing the works as evil & the consequences of it to sinners can also be used so they will see the need for the Savior to deliver them from their sins & not just from hell.

You are free not to take that route, but scripture does seem to expose sin to sinners & give warnings about hell so the option is there to reference it.

Since Catholics believe differently, even within the one church, by what they share outside of that church, I doubt coming to any church, even Protestant ones, are going to be consistent in what they all believe as in like-minded.

When you consider how they discipline those in error in offices & thus removed from that position & duty but still in the church, albeit, they are refused communion... not sure how anyone can say they are all of one accord in speaking the same thing.

The conversations I had with Catholics for believing they are saved but they want to stay in the church so other Catholics can come to their knowledge & thus to their faith comes to mind. So that is not a hypothetical. That is real life.

And there are Catholics in other Christian forums that believe they are not saved yet, but in the process of being saved for why & how they apply 1 Corinthians 1:18 in most modern Bibles as supporting that false teaching.

So maybe you ought to do a survey in your church & see if Catholics believed they are saved or in the process of being saved.

 

Since it is on God to cause the increase 1 Corinthians 3:5-7 & it is not done by the persuasion of a men's speech or lack of eloquence thereof 1 Corinthians 2:3-5 no one need to be concern how they preach to others.

There are some testimonies of sinners being won that way but again, not by that kind of speech either but by God having caused the increase.

FYI Vulture is in the Greek for why it cannot be vulture from "aetos" but eagles. In context of Luke 17:26-37, the removal is of the abiding saints leaving their lives on earth as is to be saved from what is coming on the earth.

Can Luke 17:37 Be Translated Better in KJV?

The body or carcasse is referring to the Marriage Supper in Heaven with hospitality from "sunago" for why they are eagles.

How you misapplied that reference to mean to your point doesn't change what you meant with your point since not all believe when they hear the gospel. Romans 10:8-17 is more applicable towards your point if I understood you correctly.

The way Matthew 18:17 above reads, seem severe to let the erring brother know he is error or in sin that he needs the Lord's help to discern & to repent of for why excommunication is done.

Even when a brother starts saying prejudicial things or giving heed to fables or commandments of men that turn from the truth for like in Titus 1:12-14, rebuke has to be applied.

When addressed as brethren & in regards to that topic, this is addressing the saved on addressing whether or not more was needed like circumcision & the commandments of Moses, which was not. That was an example of an attempt to build on that foundation ( salvation ) to cause believers to labor in unbelief which is coming short of that rest provided by Jesus per Hebrews 4:1-11. So that foundation is not going anywhere, but what was built on that foundation f it be iniquity or works that denyHim as saved or defiling the temple of God with iniquity, it will be done away with for why saved believers will be left behind, their physical bodies suffering death, but the spirit will be with the Lord during the great tribulation when they die per 1 Corinthians 3:10-17

I believe Acts 15 is about not judging ( condemning ) any professing believer, let alone ourselves as to whether or not we are saved when we are. We are to correct one another & if unrepentant, be excommunicated until we do repent, with His help.

Paul said "saved" as in past tense and the hope He is referring to is when we become perfect as inferring when the fullness of our apparent redemption arrives when the Bridegroom arrives. Jesus is our hope, but of saved believers divide that singular hope in Christ with works, even Catholicism, how can they not draw back? Many Catholics feel they are not ready to meet the Lord for why the last rites are needed & the Mass even as applied by some Catholics. So when a Catholic & Protestant ( because there can be other heresy that can sow doubts to their salvation like trying to keep their commitments to follow Christ to gain the assurance of salvation when by that knowledge of failing that commitment condemns them thus no assurance of salvation. ) divide that singular hope in Christ Jesus, that hope ceases to be hope until He becomes the singular hope again.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. KJV

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If its all in the bag and guaranteed you don't NEED hope. And then there is the added dimension of trusting God, I don't require a signed certificate from God if I trust God.

Scripture confirms Who to go to for that hope of our salvation for why when He appears, there would be no drawing back.

Again, we are saved already by that hope and that hope not seen presently is Jesus Christ Whom will be coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ to receive them to the Marriage Supper in Heaven where our redemption has been received in full.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. KJV

Our full redemption in that day is not going anywhere thanks to the promise of the permanent indwelling Holy Ghost in us, nt even for those left behind as that foundation is not going anywhere as their spirits will be received when they die during the great tribulation while hey await their resurrection after the great tribulation..

Thanks for sharing, brother. May we be likeminded one day as my hope in Him does give me

 

More like by the grace of God thru faith in Christ, resting in Him to finish His work in us by helping us to lay aside every weight & sin in running that race ( Hebrews 12:1-2 & Philippians 1:6-11 & 1 John 3:3 & 1 John 3:8 & 2 Timothy 4:18 & Jude 1:24-25 ) for the high prize of our calling to be received by the Bridegroom as the vessel unto honor in His House ( 2 Timothy 2:19-21 ). Even the crowns we receive, shall be cast at His feet in Heaven because they are His crowning achievements in us. Revelation 4:10

Those saints left behind at the pre great tribulation rapture will be made to rest from their labors & their works shall follow them to the dust, ( Revelation 18:1-24 ) but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven ( 2 Corinthians 5:6 & Revelation 7:13-17 ) to await their resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House, but still in His House because that foundation is not going anywhere, not even for former believers ( 2 Timothy 2:10-13 & 2 Timothy 2:18-21 ), just the works on that foundation is being burned up in that day while suffering physical death ( 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 ) in being left behind to face the fiery calamity coming on the earth & the coming great tribulation as a result ( Luke 12:40-49 & Luke 15:1-8 & Revelation 2:18-25 ).

So how we live by relying totally on the Lord Jesus Christ for our being.. is how we follow Him by the grace of God & His help. That is considered resting in Him for everything.. as saved.. and for running that race by faith in Jesus Christ to finish to His glory.

That is something even a child can do for all they can do is trust the Lord at His word. So rest in Him today in order to enter in as of the firstfruits of the resurrection when the Bridegroom comes.

Mark 10:13 And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them. 14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. 15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. KJV