Discerning How Old The Earth & Universe Is?

Some may say that God would not be deceptive about how old everything really is, thus alluding to how we can measure how old the earth is by the dating methods & how old the universe is by measuring the speed of light, but there is a problem. The dating methods we have are flawed such as living mollusks have been carbon dated as 2,300 years old dead. The same frozen wooly mammoth with 3 vastly different carbon dated results at the head, torso, & buttock should be enough to say our dating methods are unreliable, period.

So what about the speed of light? When God created the heavens & the lights thereof to govern the earth that day, that means He filled in the gap from the sources of those lights with that light to start governing the earth that day.

Were Adam & Eve babies? No. They were adults.

Did all the plants & trees started from a seed? No. There were full grown plants & trees bearing seeds & fruits that day they were created.

Then we have the first Genesis creation account when the first day, light was created to signify the creation of the first day as there was evening & morning the first day; hence no day before that one. Time has begun; this is very the beginning.

Scriptures had existed without numbered chapters & verses so the topic of Genesis 1:1 actually ended in Genesis 2:3. Genesis 2:4 is the beginning of another topic of where all the generations of mankind had come from and so this is a rehash of what had happened on the sixth day but in more detail which ends after the fall of man & the excommunication out of the Garden of Eden in Genesis 3:24; do note Genesis 3:20 for where all of mankind had come from.

Anyone claiming God to be deceptive in the nature of His creation should recognize maturity was also in His acts of creation in setting everything up to run & have knowledge on how to care for the young.

The universe may not revolve around the earth, but the creation of everything was. Take His words as true.

 

Correct since the sun & the moon & the lights from them to govern the earth that fourth day was created. That was when the heavens were created in Genesis 1:14-19

Genesis 1:1 is the topic for why the following verses are about how that first verse had happened.

Genesis 1:2-5 was God creating the first day as there was evening, & morning the first day; hence no day before that one so truly the very beginning of creation was the first day created.

Since the original scripture did not have numbered chapters or verses, the first account of creation ended at Genesis 2:3 whereby another topic began in Genesis 2:4 regarding the generations of mankind from where they had come from, which is the rehashing of the creation account for creation of man & woman on the sixth day but in more detail.

We can know that this is a rehashing of the 6th day by noting that condition of the earth for why there is a mist watering the whole earth because there was no man to till the ground yet in Genesis 2:5

When believers read the scripture without reading anything else into them but by relying on wisdom from the Lord, they can discern with Him the meaning of His words to understand them for why there is maturity in His creation in setting up a system ready to go after creation week when He finally rested on the 7th day from all His acts of creation per Genesis 2:1-3.

 

There is real science as to what can be observed & proven which macroevolution never is observed nor can be proven, and there is false science which is what the theory of evolution is. The coined the phrase microevolution from the Law of Biogenesis to make macroevolution believable, but only Jesus can wake believers up to the bait & switch con game that is going on in that false science today.

Often times than not, evolutionists & teachers will argue when stumped that believers have to learn science to understand what they are talking about ( hence inferring to learning about the evolution theory ) but yet they cannot teach us? So this overuse deflection should inform the believes that learning more about false science isn't going to change the fact that it is false science.

Granted that false science is in every field of science & so Christian scientists has to rely on Jesus for discernment there too.

 

But what is that destruction spoken of by Peter?

We see in 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 that if any one defiles the temple of God which is our physical bodies per 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 , that will be destroyed per 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 and yet the spirit is still saved per 1 Corinthians 3:15 as every man's work on that foundation will be judged in that day ( 1 Corinthians 3:13 ) when God judges the House of God first ( 1 Peter 4:17-19 ) at the rapture event.

If we look at the prophesied failing away from the faith in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 before that event in the great tribulation about the revealing of the son of perdition in that third Temple, and how that iniquity that will cause the falling away from the faith was already at work in Paul's day per 2 Thessalonians 2:7, note how they will be "damned" for not having received the love of the truth for why God permitted strong delusions on erring saved believers for believing the lie that they can receive the Holy Spirit again apart from salvation after signs in the flesh per 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12.

Note how Paul reminded believers about this tradition taught of us to reprove the iniquity mentioned prior by reminding when we had received the sanctification of the Spirit & the belief of the truth at the calling of the gospel per 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15

Now note how Paul addresses those falling away from the faith in 2 Thessalonians 3:1-7 & yet Paul says they are not to be treated as the enemy, but admonish as brothers still when withdrawing from them per 2 Thessalonians 3:14-15

So you are left wondering how can they still be brothers after having gone astray like that? We look to 2 Timothy 2:10-13 on how those who deny Him, they will be denied by Him at the rapture event for being workers of iniquity per Matthew 7:21-23 & Luke 3:24-30 & how even in spite of that, former believers are still saved because He still abides as 2 Timothy 2:13 testify.

We see an example of how believes have gone astray in verse 18 of 2 Timothy 2:18-21 but nevertheless, that foundation is still there & that seal of adoption is not going anywhere ( Ephesians 4:30 ) for why these unrepentant brothers & former believers are still called to depart from iniquity or else be "damned" as vessels unto dishonor in His House but still in His House. This is where the vessels unto dishonor comes from that are in His House; the left behind saints & not just the new believers after the rapture. So those left behind will be judged with death as warned in Revelation 2:18-25 as it is their physical bodies that is being destroyed & that damnation is they can never be that vessel unto honor in His House once the doors to the Marriage Supper in Heaven is shut..

Note how those left behind to have their portions with unbelievers are still called His servants for how they will be judged by stripes per the measure of knowledge they had for not being ready in Luke 12:40-49

So we cannot judge any professing believer nor false prophets representing Jesus as not saved, but we can judge what is false in according to His words in the hope that God is peradventuring to recover some from the snare of the devil per 2 Timothy 2:24-26 so that they too may inherit the eternal glory that comes with our salvation & that is to be a vessel unto honor in His House by the grace of God & His help. 2 Timothy 4:18 & Jude 1:24-25 Amen..

 

But are we rightly dividing the word of truth with the rest of scripture to understand what is meant?

How can there be vessels unto dishonor in His House with the vessels unto honor? 2 Timothy 2:20

How is it that by the call to depart from iniquity includes former believers in 2 Timothy 2:18-19?

And how is it that by departing from iniquity is how one is a vessel unto honor in His House per 2 Timothy 2:21?

That means the vessels unto dishonor that are in His House are the ones that did not depart from iniquity. So the warning you see are the ones warning saved but unrepentant believers & former believers to repent or be destroyed by physical death & damned as vessels unto dishonor in His House to be resurrected after the great tribulation; Revelation 2:18-25 & Revelation 7:13-17 It is like the prodigal son who lost his first inheritance to wild living; he can never get it back, but he is still son.

That is why Peter is warning believers to endure & be ready to be saved from what is coming on the earth per 2 Peter 3:1-15

 

Still reading it in regards to what is coming on the earth which physical death is the end result of their destruction.

How do you apply 1 Corinthians 3:10-17? 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 is about their physical bodies being destroyed & yet in 1 Corinthians 3:15, their spirits are still saved in that day when the fire shall declare it in 1 Corinthians 3:13. I would apply that to the fiery destruction that Peter is saying is coming on the earth. How would you apply that scriptural reference of 1 Corinthians 3:10-17?

 

Please discern again with Him. You overlooked something.

17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

Paul is addressing saved believers. No one cannot defile the temple of God unless they are saved.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. KJV

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. KJV

 

If I understand you correctly, you are putting the destruction on those who defile others by leading them astray, but 1 Corinthians 3:10 addresses the believer in how he builds on that foundation for why he would get the rewards or the lack thereof in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15. If you consider that you reject some false teachings, then how can the false teacher be blamed for what is not on that foundation? And yet if a false teaching is accepted on that foundation by the believer, the believer gets the punishment unless repented before the Bridegroom comes.

It is the believer that are responsible for what is on that foundation for why they should take heed. 1 Corinthians 3:17 is still addressing the saved believer for the repercussion of having their temple destroyed which is a physical death for why God will judge His people & the churches with death in according to their works per Revelation 2:20-23

But yes, to your other reference for leading a child astray, false prophets & false teachers will be punished even more than the unrepentant saved believer, but they can still be saved as per 1 Corinthians 3:15 since all their works can be burned up, but that foundation remains & that seal of adoption is not going away per Ephesians 4:30 for why there are vessels unto dishonor in His House per 2 Timothy 2:18-21 note verse 20.

 

I am reading the scripture as testifying for why unrepentant saved believers & former believers are to repent in 2 Timothy 2:18-21. because He still abides in former believers even if after they are denied by Him in this faithful saying per 2 Timothy 2:10-13

That is why it is important that they may also obtain the eternal glory that comes with our salvation and that is to be that vessel unto honor in His House by calling them to repent. If they do not repent with His help by the time the Bridegroom comes, then they are excommunicated from attending the Marriage Supper In Heaven, cut off, cast into the bed of the great tribulation to have their physical bodies destroyed but the spirits will be with the Lord until after the great tribulation when they will be resurrected to serve the King of kings on earth.

If saved believers want to avoid the damnation of being that vessel unto dishonor in His House, they should look to Jesus Christ for help to discern the weights & sins as well as lay aside every weight & sin for the high prize of our calling which is to be that vessel unto honor in His House. Once the door to the Marriage supper is shut, no one can be a part of that firstfruits of the resurrection. They would be akin to the prodigal son that gave up his first inheritance for a meal, & then poor & destitute to return Home to find that he is still son because that foundation remains & seal of adoption cannot go away, even though all his works are burned up on that foundation which can never be removed & he suffers loss.

 

As a clarification about how we got around to discussing this is how you seem to condemn those saved believers that may be teaching the evolution theory is true.

When we read Matthew 7:21-23, some believers think those professing believer were never saved. Not so. You may find this reference as applying to those that teach the evolution theory as true when they are just fables in science ; Titus 1:13-16

The point here is that any work of iniquity ( heresy being listed as a work of the flesh ) on that foundation that defiles the Temple of God is the same as verbally denying Him. That is why Paul goes on to explain about former believers that should happen to have their faith overthrown by some lie.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

Paul goes on to give an example of believers that had their faith overthrown & how it was overthrown, but he points out that foundation still remains as well as that seal for why he said "nevertheless" for why He still abides.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

The point is to acknowledge we are saved without works but what we build on that foundation will be judged when the Bridegroom comes & that judgment of being destroyed & damned is applied to those unrepentant saints left behind when after the great tribulation, they will be resurrected in becoming a vessel unto dishonor in His House.