Why Jesus Said "I never knew ye" to Professing Believers?

How you apply those 2 references is not in alignment when the call to depart from iniquity will make a vessel unto dishonor, a vessel unto honor.

The first application needs to be discern with Him & not man's knowledge about how Paul is talking about God's judgment when losing the rewards of crowns & that has to include at that time, the consequence of being a castaway at the rapture event.

In John 15:1-8 noting John 15:6 is the consequence for not abiding in His words as His disciples in being fruitful hence cut off from the vine & into the fire, but what fire is that since Jesus can lose nothing of all the Father has given Him per John 6:38-40.

Discerning what that fire is.. one can discern with Him as referring to the fire being sent on the earth by Jesus when He cuts off unrepentant believers as not ready to have their portions with unbelievers that are remaining behind to face this calamity coming on the earth whereby one third of the earth is burned up. Luke 12:40-49 is a warning to believers about being cut off.

2 Peter 3:1-18 is about enduring to the end as in holding to their steadfastness & not be drawn away by the wicked to escape that fiery calamity prophesied to come on the earth. This salvation believers are to seek after is to be saved from that.

That is how they all align for why Jesus is warning believers as living as His disciples or else.

Let those that have ears, hear what the Lord is saying to the churches in getting ready or else.

 

Those born again believers that did not root themselves in His words as His disciples shall be cut off ( John 8:30-36 & John 15:1-8 ). That is why Jesus exhorted His disciples to teach others in being His disciples. Matthew 28:18-20

Discipleship is about running that race Hebrews 12:1-2 & the consequences for not running that race is more than the loss of rewards of crowns, but the risk of becoming a castaway. 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 Disciples that do not abide in His words are cut off per verse 6 of John 15:1-8 They cannot be cut off unless they were part of the vine. They cannot be overthrown of their faith by an error unless they were in the faith to begin with per 2 Timothy 2:18-21 Since those who depart from iniquity becomes vessels unto honor in His House, then you have to discern with Him why the vessels unto dishonor are in His House? Are they the reprobates that built on that foundation, iniquity whereby they shall suffer a physical death, the destruction of their bodies which is the temple of the Holy Spirit, but their spirit is still saved in that day? 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 Could they as reprobates be the vessels unto dishonor that are still in His House, even former believers ( 2 Timothy 2:11-13

Pray for wisdom from the Lord because like it or not, what you are saying is not aligning with all of His words. I believe the parable of the sower is what you are not discerning as referring to why one did not receive the seed ( salvation ) & yet others did but only one bear fruit manifold whereas the other 2 did not though they had received the seed hence Christ Jesus. Since the truth of that parable cannot be understood unless we are given ears to hear, then we need to pray to get ears to hear.

 

Pray for ears to hear, brother. We have to do that for parables, so we need to do that for His words too in prophesy.

If you consider Revelation testifying to one third of the earth that gets burned up... do you not find it coincidental that the entire wester hemisphere is one third of the earth when in the beginning, the land mass was one continent ? Do you not apply the fact because USA is not in the end times prophesy as being one of the nations of armies marching against Jerusalem at the end of the great tribulation is why USA is fallen Babylon as in "we the people" in identifying with Babylon as the daughter of Babylon because it is not there at the end of the great tribulation to be a part of the world's armies matching on Jerusalem?

Revelation 18:1-18 describes USA because there is no other nations surrounded by water for merchants of the sea to be cut off because of the smoke of her burning & the plagues within. Be kind of hard to apply that to any other nations in the world as if being the center of commerce. Once USA falls, there would be a need for a New World Order for the rest of the world in gathering resources & using the mark of the beast system to buy & sell as a means to survive under that NWO. So Revelation 18:1-18 describes USA without naming her.

And her destruction takes place per the second angel in Revelation 14:8 after the first angel herald the everlasting gospel everywhere so every one has heard the gospel in Revelation 14:6-7. Then you have the 3rd angel warning after that fiery calamity that burns one third of the earth with fallen Babylon, of the consequence for taking the mark of the beast to buy & sell which is the lake of fire in Revelation 14:9-12.

Those 3 angels are the ones that sets up the hour of temptation that shall try all upon the earth because everyone will know the gospel, then the rest of the world will know of fallen Babylon for why the NWO has to come but they will also know the consequence for taking the mark of the beast to survive in that coming NWO and that is the lake of fire.

And the irony of Revelation 14:1-5 as a testimony of who makes up Jesus's personal choir in Heaven that has been redeemed from among the living on earth ; hence the rapture; should not also be missed as happening before the 3 angels are sent.

So pray to the Lord for ears to hear because wisdom can only come from the Lord in how to apply His words from parables or prophesy or His words in discerning good & evil by in the KJV as the Bible that kept His words because they loved His words to keep the meat of His words for how we can discern good & evil with His help by. John 14:23-24 & John 15:20

1 Corinthians 3:2 is proof how some saved believers are not ready for the meat but milk & why some are dull of hearing.

Hebrews 5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing. 12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. ~ KJV

Since wisdom is from the Lord, then we have to ask Him for help in discerning & applying His words. James 1:5 & Hebrews 4:12-16

 

Matthew 13;18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. KJV

One root themselves by understanding scripture to grow thereby & bear fruit. That is the whole point about abiding in His words as His disciples to bear fruit; not for salvation that was received by believing in Him, but for bearing fruit as His disciples.

John 8:.30 As he spake these words, many believed on him. 31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. KJV

2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. ~ KJV

Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. ~ KJV

How many today has evangelists giving altar calls for public witness of salvation in these crusades but hardly follow up in discipling new believers? These are saved believers that have received the words but because they are not rooted in the word to discern the lies of the evolution theory, they are offended & turn away from the truth in His words & thus Him as well, in becoming former believers. But He still abides for why we are to call them to go to Him for help to see the lies in the evolution theory & the truth in His words so they can continue to grow in Him & His words in being fruitful as His disciples & be received by Him as vessels unto honor in His House rather than denied by Him in becoming vessels unto dishonor in His House after the great tribulation when they shall be resurrected..

 

Again, those saved believers that deny Him to save their own lives are still saved even though they will be denied by Him when the Bridegroom comes. If they repent before the Bridegroom comes, they will not be denied by Him in Heaven.

You have to explain how you apply 2 Timothy 2:11-13 because after being denied in 2 Timothy 2:12, the faithful saying is that even if they believe not, He still abides. 2 Timothy 2:13 Do note the wish for the brethren, even the lost ones.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. KJV

Then after Paul gave an example of former believers... He still say that they are still called to depart from iniquity because the foundation remains as that seal of adoption does if they wish to avoid being received later on as vessels unto dishonor in His House in 2 Timothy 2:18-21.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. KJV

Ask for wisdom from the Lord because I cannot help you see that truth in His words. James 1:5-6