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1 Samuel 28: Was the witch of Endor really able to summon spirits.....?

canadyjd

canadyjd

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The witch seemed surprised and terrified that Samuel actually came.
Reminds me of the movie “Ghost”, where the medium (obviously a scam artist) is terrified when she made “contact”.

Do you believe she was able to summon spirits, or was this a one time event allowed by God for Saul?

Does this have any bearing on our understanding of heaven or state of our spirits after death?
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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canadyjd said:
The witch seemed surprised and terrified that Samuel actually came.
Reminds me of the movie “Ghost”, where the medium (obviously a scam artist) is terrified when she made “contact”.

Do you believe she was able to summon spirits, or was this a one time event allowed by God for Saul?

Does this have any bearing on our understanding of heaven or state of our spirits after death?
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God used this "witch" whom Saul was enquiring from about Samuel, to condemn him. There is no reason to doubt the Bible account that Samuel appeared to Saul, which God allowed to happen, in a very special event.The Bible says that NOTHING is too difficult or impossible for The Lord God Almighty!
 
canadyjd

canadyjd

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SavedByGrace said:
God used this "witch" whom Saul was enquiring from about Samuel, to condemn him. There is no reason to doubt the Bible account that Samuel appeared to Saul, which God allowed to happen, in a very special event.The Bible says that NOTHING is too difficult or impossible for The Lord God Almighty!
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That is my assessment as well.

Does this event tell us anything about our spirits after death?

peace to you
 
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Aaron

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canadyjd said:
The witch seemed surprised and terrified that Samuel actually came.
Reminds me of the movie “Ghost”, where the medium (obviously a scam artist) is terrified when she made “contact”.

Do you believe she was able to summon spirits, or was this a one time event allowed by God for Saul?

Does this have any bearing on our understanding of heaven or state of our spirits after death?
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The witch was not surprised to see 'Samuel.' She was terrified when it was revealed to her that her customer was Saul, who had banished witches from Israel and imposed the death penalty for her art.

And it wasn't Samuel, it was a demon.
 
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SavedByGrace

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canadyjd said:
Does this event tell us anything about our spirits after death?
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no. all human "spirits" are the "life" in us, which at death goes back to God. “The dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it” (Ecclesiastes 12:7). It is the "soul" (the real you/I), that after death either so to heaven to be with the Lord, or to hell.
 
canadyjd

canadyjd

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Aaron said:
The witch was not surprised to see 'Samuel.' She was terrified when it was revealed to her that her customer was Saul, who had banished witches from Israel and imposed the death penalty for her art.

And it wasn't Samuel, it was a demon.
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That could be true. Who revealed to her that Saul was her customer? Why do you think it was a demon and not Samuel? The text says it was Samuel.

peace to you
 
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Yeshua1

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canadyjd said:
The witch seemed surprised and terrified that Samuel actually came.
Reminds me of the movie “Ghost”, where the medium (obviously a scam artist) is terrified when she made “contact”.

Do you believe she was able to summon spirits, or was this a one time event allowed by God for Saul?

Does this have any bearing on our understanding of heaven or state of our spirits after death?
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I think the God allowed the real Samuel to appear this one time!
 
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Aaron

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canadyjd said:
That could be true. Who revealed to her that Saul was her customer? Why do you think it was a demon and not Samuel? The text says it was Samuel.
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So the LORD wasn't answering Saul through hallowed means, yet when Saul goes to commune with devils, the LORD says, "OK, just this one time I'll be moved by the abominable arts of witchcraft necromancy"?

I think you should know the Lord better than that.

Do you think Jephthah burned his daughter on the altar? That God accepted the abominable practice of Molech 'just this one time' to teach Jephthah a lesson?
 
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canadyjd

canadyjd

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Aaron said:
So the LORD wasn't answering Saul through hallowed means, yet when Saul goes to commune with devils, the LORD says, "OK, just this one time I'll be moved by the abominable arts of witchcraft necromancy"?

I think you should know the Lord better than that.

Do you think Jephthah burned his daughter on the altar? That God accepted the abominable practice of Molech 'just this one time' to teach Jephthah a lesson?
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The text says it was Samuel. Convince me from scripture it wasn’t.

As I said, I don’t think the woman had any real power to commune with the dead. That is why she was terrified when Samuel appeared.

As others have stated, God sent Samuel to talk to Saul. Notice Samuel asked Saul (not the woman) why he had disturbed him?

Peace to you
 
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