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I could say that double heresy, but I still want to clarify, WHAT IS IT?

 

Excuse me, but I am speaking from the words of the Calvinists themselves. If I misunderstood something, it means that something was not conveyed to me.

 

I read the creed of 1689 and found nothing to refute my beliefs about Calvinism.

 

Well I have a question here:
"Do they smoke, drink, or do anything else?"
This just shows that God created people just to amuse His pride.

 

You confuse the sinful nature with the duty to sin.
Although it is said that we are slaves of sin, but even slaves rebel against slaveholders, and people do not always sin, but sometimes even sinners do something good.

Jesus did not just as often set the example of the Gentiles, who certainly went to perdition.

 

[QUOTE = "Iconoclast, post: 2684426, member: 10065"] Вы проигнорировали то, что я опубликовал, но теперь ищите ответы на другие вопросы ...

1] Как вы думаете, действительно ли Бог спасает?

2] Как вы думаете, он только потенциально спасает?

3] Как вы думаете, он не может спасти все, что собирается спасти?

ты сказал;


Люди выбирают многое, но свободы воли не существует. У человека есть своя воля, связанная грехом, а это значит, что он никогда не выберет Бога. Бог избрал множество людей для спасения. [/ЦИТИРОВАТЬ]

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1) God really saves. Example. For example an ordinary lifeguard really saves by making all their efforts
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2) God saves not potentially, but literally by making ALL His efforts and doing everything that is possible.
Example: the rescuer applies everything that he can apply. All your navok and all your aborudovanie.
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3) God can save everything He is going to .
An example is a highly professional lifeguard. He has a lot of experience in rescue and saves everyone he wants to save.
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And now the main problem of the Lifeguard and the Lifeguard. People themselves do not want to accept salvation. They don't trust the Lifeguard. They are afraid to leave their property and

 

This is what you posted;


I asked that you consult the 1689, you say you did, but it clearly says this;;;
Chapter 3: Of God's Decree
1._____ God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; y; nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing his decree.
( Isaiah 46:10; Ephesians 1:11; Hebrews 6:17; Romans 9:15, 18; James 1:13; 1 John 1:5; Acts 4:27, 28; John 19:11; Numbers 23:19; Ephesians 1:3-5 )

So the confession of faith written by Calvinists says the opposite of what you accuse it of and puts you as the one who is blaming God
for man's sin.
Explain how you say you read this and did not notice this statement?
I do not think you are reading with understanding, but rather it seems more likely you are repeating things you heard on a bad website second hand.

Each one of us is free to believe or not believe whatever we think is there, but if you go on the offensive great assured there are several here who will offer correction, and if need be return fire.
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About the free will of man.
3. Man, having fallen into a state of sin, has completely lost all ability of the will to strive for the spiritual good that accompanies salvation. Therefore, by nature, man, being completely disinclined to spiritual good and being dead in sin, is not able by his own power to convert himself or prepare himself for salvation.
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There are obvious lies on people already. A simple life example shows that non-believers or pagans in general are able to do good and help those in need or selflessly save them in trouble or do some other good.

 

This is what you posted;


I asked that you consult the 1689, you say you did, but it clearly says this;;;
Chapter 3: Of God's Decree
1._____ God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; y; nor is violence offered to the will of the creature, nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness in accomplishing his decree.
( Isaiah 46:10; Ephesians 1:11; Hebrews 6:17; Romans 9:15, 18; James 1:13; 1 John 1:5; Acts 4:27, 28; John 19:11; Numbers 23:19; Ephesians 1:3-5 )

So the confession of faith written by Calvinists says the opposite of what you accuse it of and puts you as the one who is blaming God
for man's sin.
Explain how you say you read this and did not notice this statement?
I do not think you are reading with understanding, but rather it seems more likely you are repeating things you heard on a bad website second hand.

Each one of us is free to believe or not believe whatever we think is there, but if you go on the offensive great assured there are several here who will offer correction, and if need be return fire.
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On God's Decree

4. These angels and men, who are thus predestined and ordained, are marked in a special and unchangeable way; and their number is so definite and precise that it can neither be increased nor diminished. 1

1) Mt 22: 1-14; John 13: 18; Rom 11: 5-6; 1 Corinthians 7: 20-22; 2 Timothy 2:19.
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Here, for example, every passage of Scripture is perverted just to build it under a favorable interpretation, although there is nothing in common with what is said in paragraph 4.

 

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you need to base whatever you believe on scriptural grounds keeping in mind scripture does contradict itself.
Could you show for example how 2 tim
1:9 does not say what it says?
you suggest it is perverted[/QUOTE]
Well, I have already shown you many times the fallacy of your judgments and showed that God is referring to the free will of people (Luke 5: 20) :

To believe in Him, - Mar. 11: 23, John.14:1, 1 John 4: 1, James 2: 1, and so on

To repent, - Matthew 3: 2, Matthew 4:17, Mark 1: 15, Acts.2:38 , Acts.3:19 and so on

To bring forth worthy fruits-Luke 3: 8 (this, it should be noted, was generally said to the unborn).
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So as we can see your belief that non-Christians have no will of their own is wrong.
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11 For there is no face-to-face with God.
12 Those who have sinned without the law will be outlaws and will perish; but those who have sinned under the law will be condemned under the law
13 (for the hearers of the law are not righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be justified,
14 For when the Gentiles, who have no law, do what is lawful by nature, they, who have no law, are their own law:
15 They show that the work of the law is written in their hearts, as their conscience and their thoughts testify, now accusing, now justifying one another)
16 On the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secret works of men through Jesus Christ.
(Rom. 2: 11-16)
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In this passage of Scripture, we clearly see that the unbelievers and the unregenerate still have their own will to do good that is pleasing to God, even though they do not live according to the Law of God.

 

Not one of your passages mentions the will being free
You show nothing but error,but you are content with your error.
You do not want interaction at this point, you think you are okay.
No need to waste time here.[/QUOTE]

Good. In order not to waste time, you just answer me, if you do not have the will to choose something, then why are you just asked to do something that automatically implies the presence of free will?

If you have no will, how can you fulfill the command to choose your faith voluntarily?

If you have no will, how can you voluntarily repent?

If you have no will, how can you voluntarily bring forth the fruits of repentance of your own free will?
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You reject the obvious.

 

1). " Who wrote the above comment? It looks like Iconoclast wrote something."
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I have some error in the message there. It seems that part of someone else's message got into it.
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2). ???
You confuse free will with freedom of speech. Slaves can express themselves freely, but they can never be free from their master.
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It seems that you are confusing something, although freedom of speech also depends on free will. If you don't have the will, you can't say a free word.
And in the Scriptures there are calls to act according to the will, and not just a request for ranting.
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3) why is the same not true. Without the will and desire to believe in Moses, one cannot choose between the Law of Moses and the old life.
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4). You don't understand the fact that Jesus is calling for a change of master.
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30 When He said this, many believed in Him.
31 Then Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, " If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples.",
32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.
33 They answered him:
34 Jesus answered them, " Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is a servant of sin."
35 But the servant does not abide in the house forever; the son abides forever.
36 Therefore, if the Son sets you free, you will truly be free.
37 I know that you are the seed of Abraham, but you seek to kill me, because my word does not fit in you.
38 I say what I have seen with my Father, but you do what you have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said to him, " Our father is Abraham." Jesus said to them, " If you were the children of Abraham, you would do the works of Abraham."
40 And now you seek to kill me, a man who has told you the truth, which I have heard from God: Abraham did not do this.
41 You do the works of your father. And they said to him, " We were not born of fornication; we have one Father, God."
42 Jesus said to them, " If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came from God and came; for I did not come from Myself, but He sent Me."
43 Why do you not understand my speech? Because you can't hear My words.
44 Your father is the devil, and you want to fulfill the lusts of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and did not stand in the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks his own, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
45 But because I speak the truth, you do not believe me.
46 Which of you will accuse me of unrighteousness? But if I speak the truth, why do you not believe me?
47 He who is of God listens to the words of God. You do not listen because you are not of God.
48 To this the Jews answered and said to him, "Are we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan, and that you have a demon?"
49 Jesus answered, " I have no demon; but I honor my Father, and you dishonor me."
50 But I do not seek my glory: there is one who seeks and judges.
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever keepeth my word, he shall never see death.
(John.8:30-51)

16 Do you not know that to whom you give yourselves as servants to obey, you are also servants to whom you obey, or servants of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?
17 Thank God that you, who were formerly servants of sin, have become obedient from the heart to the way of teaching to which you have given yourself up.
18 But when you were delivered from sin, you became servants of righteousness.
19 I speak according to the reasoning of men, for the sake of the weakness of your flesh. As you have given your members as servants to uncleanness and iniquity for unrighteous works, so now present your members as servants of righteousness for holy works.
20 For when you were servants of sin, you were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit did you have then? These things, which you are now ashamed for the end of those things is death.
22 But now that you have been delivered from sin and become servants to God, your fruit is holiness, and the end is eternal life.
23 For the wages of sin is death, and the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
(Rom. 6: 16-23)