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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Strannik, Feb 22, 2021.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    Guess some would say that Calvin Himself would consider some of us then Hyper Cals?
     
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    No I havent. You must think God isnt wise enough to have reasons for doing what He does ! Thats not good
     
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    I'm witnessing the Truth !
     
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    Thats False, He died for all men which are His Sheep Jn 10, His Church. The only ones who dont believe in Him will be the ones who weren't His Sheep of which He died for !
     
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    Luke 22 is very clear, if you will only accept it, that Jesus died for JUDAS!
     
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    Okay, understood. But you should still be able to answer my question with a yes or no.
     
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    Nah, thats in your imagination !
     
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    don't you get it? Yeshua1 is also "reformed" like you, and therefore there is no, "yes or no", but mostly, don't know, but lets pretend that we do...:D
     
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    are you afraid of your "theology" being exposed as being false?
     
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    Not at all, as you and others like Van "expose" only strawmen versions!
     
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    do you agree that Judas took the bread and the wine? That Jesus also told him that He was going to die for his sins. Both of these truths are clearly taught in Luke 22. But will you guys humbly accept this, or keep fighting the Bible?
     
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    Do you accept that Judas was a devil from the beginning?
     
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    Jesus chose Judas, who later became an adversary

    Jesus's own words about Judas, "“Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.” (John 6:70)

    Do you know what the term "devil" means? "διάβολος", according to Thayer, "prone to slander, slanderous, accusing falsely...The name διάβολος is figuratively applied to a man who, by opposing the cause of God, may be said to act the part of the devil or to side with him: John 6:70"
     
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    of course you again avioded my questions about Judas in Luke 22!
     
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    Do you know that Judas was only one that actually had Satan possess him, and not one of his demons?
     
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    Judas never was ever saved!
     
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    your proof text being?
     
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    does not mean that Jesus never died for him, as the normal reading of 2 Peter 2:1 says
     
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    Luke 22:3
     
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    Jesus called Him son of perdition, one destined to betray him, correct? No real salvation offered to Judas, eh?
     
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