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don't force the meaning of the term. and are you suggesting that Jesus deceived Judas?

 

No, as Judas was predestined to do what he desired to do!

 

Still avoiding the main point about Judas

 

he was not part of the Apostles as in saved!

 

Can you show from the Bible that Luke is wrong about showing Jesus giving the bread and wine to Judas and telling him that He was going to die for him

 

Judas was never one of his sheep!

 

Now its on you to prove that judas to the bread and wine. Prove it sir

 

Luke 22:19-21, "And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.But behold, the hand of him who betrays me is with me on the table."


Matthew Henry

“He discoursed with them concerning him that should betray him, who was now present. He signifies to them that the traitor was now among them, and one of them, v. 21. By placing this after the institution of the Lord's supper, though in Matthew and Mark it is placed before it, it seems plain that Judas did receive the Lord's supper, did eat of that bread and drink of that cup; for, after the solemnity was over, Christ said, Behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table. There have been those that have eaten bread with Christ and yet have betrayed him”

John Gill

“with me on the table; and is an aggravation of his sin, that one that sat with him at his table, ate bread with him, and dipped his morsel in the same dish, should be the betrayer of him, according to the prophecy in Ps 41:9 as well as describes and points at the person that should do this action, even one of his disciples; for which disciples, he had just now said, his body is given, and his blood is shed. The phrase, "with me", is left out in the Syriac and Persic versions. From Luke's account it appears most clearly, that Judas was not only at the passover, but at the Lord's supper, since this was said when both were over.”

A T Robertson

That betrayeth (του παραδιδοντος — tou paradidontos). Present active participle, actually engaged in doing it. The hand of Judas was resting on the table at the moment. It should be noted that Luke narrates the institution of the Lord‘s Supper before the exposure of Judas as the traitor while Mark and Matthew reverse this order.

 

Whats the account of Matthew and Mark ? Is it different from Luke ?

 

No. There are no contradictions in the Bible. Each Gospel is from a different perspective. Luke was an historian

 

Have you checked their accounts?