Featured Insincere gospel offer Part 2

So you do blame satan and adam for their wrong choices then?

 

I have already dealt with much of this on my own thread, maybe it is time for others to try to answer your queries...

 

see #20

 

sure, good to exchange again, even though we don't always agree! God bless

 

Accusation #3

 

'You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" But indeed, O man who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to Him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?"' Romans 9:19-24. Read it all).

 

The question of a Jew who seeks righteousness through the works of the law, while rejecting Christ, and complains why God is hardening him and his nation.

Not the question of a man opposing Calvinistic theology.

 

Your hatred of the teaching of the biblical God is being revealed lo ed thread by thread.
The gospel is to freely offered.
The offer is sincere..
For you to suggest impure motives coming from God is wicked and you need to repent of it.

 

No....he understands just fine. You avoid the truth seeking to elude his question. Answer the question.

 

Its all "the fault of God", but they will not come out and state that!

 

You're the one suggesting that by Calvinism.
We don't believe God condemns people for not believing when he makes them unable to believe.

 

Exactly. That's exactly the Calvinist position, although some Calvinists, here and there, especially high Calvinists, will kind of say it while also stating that somehow God remains sinless.

 

It's just a cheaper cut of the Why-doth-He-yet-find-fault beef.

In the same vein, was God's command to Pharaoh insincere, since it was given to one He had hardened? Were the plagues unjust, because they were punishment for that hardening?

 

My question for you is, why the Creation in the first place? If there were no Fall, and mankind filled the earth, then what?

 

Do you understand my reasoning

 

Explain why Jesus said this to His disciples.

Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. KJV

Then explain why the Holy Spirit led these disciples to not preach to certain areas but yet come to Macedonia instead?

Acts 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia, 7 After they were come to Mysia, they assayed to go into Bithynia: but the Spirit suffered them not. 8 And they passing by Mysia came down to Troas. 9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us. 10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them. KJV

Now you may doubt the application of His words but until you explain these two references , your discussion will always be at an impasse.

 

The why doth he yet find fault? question is that of a Jew claiming that the hardening of Israel is unjust since Israel followed after the law of righteousness, whereas Gentiles which followed not after righteousness obtain it. That's the context.
It's not the question of man pointing out that Calvinism paints God out to be an unjust omnipotent fiend.

God only hardened Pharaoh after Pharaoh twice rejected God's word before God hardened him.
God foreknew the future, of course, but Pharaoh of his own will first rejected God.

This is the first actual hardening:
Exo 7:13 And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.

And it occurs after:
Exo 7:11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
Exo 7:12 For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.

And after:
Exo 5:2 And Pharaoh said, Who is the LORD, that I should obey his voice to let Israel go? I know not the LORD, neither will I let Israel go.