Christians in Politics pt 2

[Yeshua1]

Why should we not care about abortion?

I am not involved in politics, and will not vote, but that does not mean I should not care about abortion.

You are not making sense. Abortion is murder. Why minimalize it to politics?????

Are you pro-abortion?

No, but the point is that to stop abortion, have to get it legislated, so its a political matter!

 

[Yeshua1]

Baptism changed a lot over the years. I think they were wrong as well (I agree they went too far).

But regarding Christians refraining from politics, that is a view expressed while some apostles were still living. The only opposing view was the complaints of pagans that Christians refused to participate in the affairs of the government.

This is a matter of conviction and being such, none can state which is the "right view", as its based upon each Chriostian beliefs!

 

[Yeshua1]

One can be a good citizen of the USA without being involved in politics.

Voting is not being involved in politics, its doing our civil duty!

 

[JonC]

No, but the point is that to stop abortion, have to get it legislated, so its a political matter!

But that is not Christian. The worldly way to stop abortion is to change laws. The Christian way is to change people.

We have never been a country without abortion, so the idea it will cease through worldly means seems a bit naive to me.

People must be born again.

 

[JonC]

Voting is not being involved in politics, its doing our civil duty!

Voting is, by definition, involvement in politics. A vote represents a voice.

Celsus' argument against Christianity was precisely your argument. He argued that Christians had a duty to Rome, a patriotic and civic duty. The Chrustians counter-argument was that they serve God and not man.

Sometimes you just have to decide who it is you are going to serve.

 

[JonC]

This is a matter of conviction and being such, none can state which is the "right view", as its based upon each Chriostian beliefs!

No, we can definitely say the World is by definition opposed to God, that we are not to become entangled in the affairs of the World, that we cannot serve two masters, that we are commanded not to judge the World or the actions of sinners. etc.

We can say all of that because those are God's words and not man's.

It is not a matter of opinion. It is not really a matter of faith. It is a matter of faithfulness and people deciding which powers they will serve and what kingdom they will represent.

 

[Yeshua1]

But that is not Christian. The worldly way to stop abortion is to change laws. The Christian way is to change people.

We have never been a country without abortion, so the idea it will cease through worldly means seems a bit naive to me.

People must be born again.

The nation was not a Christian one, but still managed to outlaw slavery via political means!

 

[Yeshua1]

Voting is, by definition, involvement in politics. A vote represents a voice.

Celsus' argument against Christianity was precisely your argument. He argued that Christians had a duty to Rome, a patriotic and civic duty. The Chrustians counter-argument was that they serve God and not man.

Sometimes you just have to decide who it is you are going to serve.

Jesus showed us that we render to the USA what is due, and render unto God His due, so can vote!

 

[Yeshua1]

No, we can definitely say the World is by definition opposed to God, that we are not to become entangled in the affairs of the World, that we cannot serve two masters, that we are commanded not to judge the World or the actions of sinners. etc.

We can say all of that because those are God's words and not man's.

It is not a matter of opinion. It is not really a matter of faith. It is a matter of faithfulness and people deciding which powers they will serve and what kingdom they will represent.

Francis Schaffaer and many others who were saved and obeying the Lord disagree with you!

 

[JonC]

The nation was not a Christian one, but still managed to outlaw slavery via political means!

If there was a heart for God racism would not have been so common.

 

[JonC]

Francis Schaffaer and many others who were saved and obeying the Lord disagree with you!

If they were disobeying Scripture then how were they obedient to God? Do you know of a passage commanding Christians to be involved in politics? Do you know of a passage commanding Christians to vote?

Or are you just taking liberties with Scripture?

 

[JonC]

Jesus showed us that we render to the USA what is due, and render unto God His due, so can vote!

Yes, we render to men honor due those men. We give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's.

But as a soldier I served so that people could keep the freedoms they have in our nation, to include voting or abstaining from voting. Our nation does not require her citizens to vote.

Rome did require political involvement. But Christians chose to obey God rather than men.

 

[Yeshua1]

If there was a heart for God racism would not have been so common.

Yes, but still needed to be ended as a practice!

 

[Yeshua1]

If they were disobeying Scripture then how were they obedient to God? Do you know of a passage commanding Christians to be involved in politics? Do you know of a passage commanding Christians to vote?

Or are you just taking liberties with Scripture?

I know of NONE forbidding me to do such!

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes, we render to men honor due those men. We give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's.

But as a soldier I served so that people could keep the freedoms they have in our nation, to include voting or abstaining from voting. Our nation does not require her citizens to vote.

Rome did require political involvement. But Christians chose to obey God rather than men.

Is it acceptable to God to have Christians vote?