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Featured Has the Gospel reached and been preached to all Nations?

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  1. Hobie

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    Matthew 24:13-15 King James Version (KJV)
    14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

    I asked the question to my class at church as its clear that the internet has reached across the globe, and even Russia, China and even in the wilds of Africa you can see the truth. I don't see what more is needed unless you practically read the words of scripture to each and every individual, which I don't think is what Christ meant. What are your thoughts.
     
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    I think we have spread the Gospel to all nations and peoples, its just a matter of choice whether to see and hear what is from Gods Word, or reject and turn away from the truth it shows.
     
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    I expect you are familiar with the Joshua Project who focus on the remaining "unreached" peoples, but you are right that modern technology has effectively closed the gap even in places which are closed to evangelism. Still, there are communities about whom almost nothing is known, even by anthropologists (eg: the Sentinelese), and a huge number of peoples who do not have the Bible in a language they understand. Wycliffe Bible Translators and the Bible Society are notable organisations working on this important task.

    We don't know the day or the hour when our work here will be done, so I would hesitate to assert that our mission is accomplished.
     
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    (I don't mean to post this to cause any offence to the OP; it is just a wonderful story that I love to tell and I am glad of the opportunity to share it.)

    A Cautionary Tale


    In the late 19th century, a rich Englishman called Robert Arthington got caught up in the eschatological hope associated with the evangelical revivals. He thought that he could hasten Christ’s return by using his wealth to sponsor missionaries to spread the gospel to what he thought were the few remaining unreached peoples. Their job was to stay just long enough to translate a gospel and make a few converts before moving on to a new place.

    He sent missionaries to various parts of Northeast India and they had extraordinary success. So much success, in fact, that two of them wanted to stay. They realised the enormity of the task: They wanted to translate the entire Bible, they wanted to establish schools and hospitals, they wanted to transform the society and disciple the first Christians. When they refused to move on, Arthington withdrew their funding. The missionaries were compelled to leave and the field was handed over to another mission board (who also did an excellent job).

    When Arthington died a few years later, the Baptist Missionary Society received a large bequest from him. In an ironic twist, this funding was used to send the original missionaries back again, and they continued where they had left off. These two individuals are now honoured with an annual State Holiday (Missionary Day) in remembrance of their service to the people.

    If you’ll permit taking a verse out of context, if our mindset is simply about speedy gospel distribution, “but we have not love”, then perhaps our activities are like a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
     
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    Well, it was not back in 70 ad which people who say Matthew 24 was all about that time and not for a future time.
    That one thing Jesus says in Matthew 24 should have been enough to convince preterists about Matthew 24 still concerns future events..

    The chapter concerns destruction of Jerusalem and when Jesus returns, the end of the age. Jesus has not yet returned in 2021 ad. But preterists will say Jesus returned in 70ad, and returns many times. But scripture talks only about a second coming, not a third, fourth, etc.. coming.

    Has not been preached in all nations yet, if you include small tribes as a nation.
    how about the Sentinelese people
    Sentinelese.

    interesting story of someone who went there illegally recently as a Christian missionary. However the Lord did not give him success.

    In November 2018, John Allen Chau, a 26-year-old American,[75] trained and sent by the US-based Christian missionary organization All Nations,[76] travelled to North Sentinel Island with the
    aim of contacting and living among the Sentinelese[76] in the hope of converting them to Christianity.[75][77][9][78] Chau did not seek the necessary permits required to visit the island[79][80] and traveled illegally to the island by bribing local fishermen.[81] He expressed a clear desire to convert the tribe and awareness of the risk of death he faced and of the illegality of his visits, writing, "Lord, is this island Satan's last stronghold where none have heard or even had the chance to hear your name?", "The eternal lives of this tribe is at hand", and "I think it's worthwhile to declare Jesus to these people. Please do not be angry at them or at God if I get killed...Don't retrieve my body."[82][83][84]

    On 15 November, Chau attempted his first visit in a fishing boat, which took him about 500–700 metres (1,600–2,300 feet) from shore.[81] The fishermen warned Chau not to go farther, but he canoed toward shore with a waterproof Bible. As he approached, he attempted to communicate with the islanders[75] and to offer gifts, but he retreated after facing hostile responses.[85][84] On another visit, Chau recorded that the islanders reacted to him with a mixture of amusement, bewilderment and hostility. He attempted to sing worship songs to them, and spoke to them in Xhosa, after which they often fell silent. Other attempts to communicate ended with them bursting into laughter.[85] Chau stated they communicated with "lots of high pitched sounds" and gestures.[86] Eventually, according to Chau's last letter, when he tried to hand over fish and gifts, a boy shot a metal-headed arrow that pierced the Bible he was holding in front of his chest, after which he retreated again.[85]

    On his final visit, on 17 November, Chau instructed the fishermen to leave without him.[78] The fishermen later saw the islanders dragging Chau's body, and the next day they saw his body on the shore.[81]

    Police subsequently arrested seven fishermen for assisting Chau to get close to the restricted island.[84] His death was treated as a murder, but there was no suggestion that the Sentinelese would be charged[87] and the U.S. government confirmed that it did not ask the Indian government to press charges against the tribe.[88][89] Indian officials made several attempts to recover Chau's body but eventually abandoned those efforts. An anthropologist involved in the case told The Guardian that the risk of a dangerous clash between investigators and the islanders was too great to justify any further attempts.[90] He remains buried on the island.
     
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    Just make sure its the real Gospel, and not the bogus one of Ellen White!
     
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    Yes. If you believe the scriptures. Fulfilled before the NT was even completed. Before THAT GENERATION had passed away:

    14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a testimony unto all the nations; and then shall the end come.
    34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. Mt 24

    So belief cometh of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ. But I say, Did they not hear? Yea, verily, Their sound went out into all the earth, And their words unto the ends of the world. Ro 10:17-18

    5 because of the hope which is laid up for you in the heavens, whereof ye heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel,
    6 which is come unto you; even as it is also in all the world bearing fruit and increasing, as it doth in you also, since the day ye heard and knew the grace of God in truth;
    23 if so be that ye continue in the faith, grounded and stedfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel which ye heard, which was preached in all creation under heaven; whereof I Paul was made a minister. Col 1

    25 Now to him that is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which hath been kept in silence through times eternal,
    26 but now is manifested, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, is made known unto all the nations unto obedience of faith: Ro 16

    It was actually fulfilled at Pentecost, 'the gospel bomb':

    5 Now there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven.
    8 And how hear we, every man in our own language wherein we were born? Acts 2
     
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    Imagine this:
    11 so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isa 55
     
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    Has the Gospel reached and been preached to all Nations?

    No.
     
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    If it had been, the end would have came!
     
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    Never mind the scripture, right?

    The end (consummation) of the age did come, before that generation passed away.
     
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    But Jesus did not return, 'what will be the sign of your coming'

    Jesus says, and then the end will come after the gospel was preached to all nations
    What end? End of Jerusalem, end of old covenant?

    It was not the end of the old covenant in 70AD, that happened with the crucifixion and resurrection.
    'this is my blood of the new covenant poured out for you'
    And the veil of the temple was torn in half, signifying a new and open way to God.
    The temple and OC relationship ceased then.
     
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    Matthew 27
    50 And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.

    51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.

    54 So when the centurion and those with him, who were guarding Jesus, saw the earthquake and the things that had happened, they feared greatly, saying, “Truly this was the Son of God!”

    The new covenant begins here with his death.

    John 3:16, Jesus giving His life as a ransom for many. so that believers would not
    perish
     
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    :rolleyes:

    1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 [NKJV]
    13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive [and] remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

    1 Corinthians 15
     
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    Never mind the scripture, right?

    40 When therefore the lord of the vineyard shall come, what will he do unto those husbandmen?
    41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those miserable men, and will let out the vineyard unto other husbandmen, who shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
    42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, The same was made the head of the corner; This was from the Lord, And it is marvelous in our eyes?
    43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and shall be given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
    44 And he that falleth on this stone shall be broken to pieces: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will scatter him as dust.
    45 And when the chief priests and the Pharisees heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. Mt 21

    Happened already! 70 AD!

    The chief priests and Pharisees understood the prophecy, why can't you futurists?
     
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    Pitting scripture against scripture is all you've done here. Mind explaining how this in any way negates the scripture given in post #7?
     
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    your using a parable, which has to be explained by Christ, not by you.
    Yes, preterists must say Christ comes back multiple times or say the second coming already happened in 70 ad.

    AND, that parable can also refer to the judgement of the wicked on the last day when he sends out his angels to gather them and they are thrown into the fires of hell.
     
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    Agree! But there was a 40 year 'overlap' where the two covenants coexisted.

    11 For if that which passeth away was with glory, much more that which remaineth is in glory. 2 Cor 3

    27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that have been made, that those things which are not shaken may remain. Heb 12
     
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    Dont take it word for word doctrine, kyredneck, becuase WHO is that landowner? It is not the SON, who is coming to destroy them, there is no mention of resurrection here.
    The son is dead, the landowner take his vengeance. This is a parable, an illustration of God's justice against evil doers.

    The landowner, not the son, gives the vineyard to other vinedressers. The meaning would be Christians individually not nationally like France, England, etc.. But as Peter calls believers, a holy nation and also given to them for all time, including the time of the resurrection age, as they will inherit the earth.

    33 “Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 Now when vintage-time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another. 36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.

    40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”

    41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”

    42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

    ‘The stone which the builders rejected
    Has become the chief cornerstone.
    This was the Lord’s doing,
    And it is marvelous in our eyes’?

    43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”

    45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they perceived that He was speaking of them. 46 But when they sought to lay hands on Him, they feared the multitudes, because they took Him for a prophet.
     
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    ...and futurists must ignore scores of plain time statements given in the scriptures, i.e., "the time is at hand", or "a very little while", or "must shortly come to pass", or "I come quickly", really means thousands of years...and still waiting.

    Only in your futurist imagination.
     
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