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The Invitation To Heaven

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SavedByGrace

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Can a sinner be saved who does not call Jesus their Lord and God then?

Romans 10

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
 

SavedByGrace

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No that is not what I said at all. What I said was, those verses have nothing o do with the topic we are actually discussing. But since you want to force the issue, the verses are clearly talking about God not taking one nation over another. All people groups will be included in the Kingdom. It has nothing to do with individuals in those two verses.

but, what does Peter, not I, mean when he says "But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him" I am not saying this, it is the Word of God.
 

Reformed1689

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but, what does Peter, not I, mean when he says "But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him" I am not saying this, it is the Word of God.
It means exactly what it says, but how is that relevant to the fact that nobody naturally does that as told in Romans 3? You want to separate Scripture but you can't do that and be faithful to the Word of God.
 

SavedByGrace

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All interpret according to their beliefs. Try to use an accurate resource and you will get the meaning.

A T Robertson, Reformed scholar

The world (τον κοσμον — ton kosmon). The whole cosmos of men, including Gentiles, the whole human race. This universal aspect of God‘s love appears also in 2 Corinthians 5:19; Romans 5:8.

John Calvin

That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found inthe world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.

David Brown (part of JFB), Reformed

16. For God so loved, &c.--What proclamation of the Gospel has been so oft on the lips of missionaries and preachers in every age since it was first uttered? What has sent such thrilling sensations through millions of mankind? What has been honored to bring such multitudes to the feet of Christ? What to kindle in the cold and selfish breasts of mortals the fires of self-sacrificing love to mankind, as these words of transparent simplicity, yet overpowering majesty? The picture embraces several distinct compartments: "THE WORLD"--in its widest sense--ready "to perish"; the immense "LOVE OF GOD" to that perishing world, measurable only, and conceivable only, by the gift which it drew forth from Him; THE GIFT itself--"He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son," or, in the language of Paul, "spared not His own Son" ( Rom 8:32 ), or in that addressed to Abraham when ready to offer Isaac on the altar, "withheld not His Son, His only Son, whom He loved" ( Gen 22:16 ); the FRUIT of this stupendous gift--not only deliverance from impending "perdition," but the bestowal of everlasting life; the MODE in which all takes effect--by "believing" on the Son. How would Nicodemus' narrow Judaism become invisible in the blaze of this Sun of righteousness seen rising on "the world" with healing in His wings! ( Mal 4:2 ).
 

SavedByGrace

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How did I not answer it?

you said, "the fact that nobody naturally does that as told". Where do you get this from? Certainly not from Romans 3. There are millions of non believers who "naturally" do things that the Bible says, like, love their spouse, not commit adultery, not steal or murder, or rape, or lie and cheat, etc. These all have their roots in the Bible, as God's Instructions on how we must live. And it is generally agreed by even the unsaved, that these "laws" are good and just.
 

AustinC

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NO sinner can EVER repent and believe in and of themselves. The Holy Spirit must first "convict" them, and only then...
We agree that no sinner can ever repent and believe in and of themselves.
We agree that the Holy Spirit must first convict them.
Which person's does the Holy Spirit choose to convict and which ones does the Holy Spirit choose not to convict?
 

Reformed1689

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you said, "the fact that nobody naturally does that as told". Where do you get this from? Certainly not from Romans 3. There are millions of non believers who "naturally" do things that the Bible says, like, love their spouse, not commit adultery, not steal or murder, or rape, or lie and cheat, etc. These all have their roots in the Bible, as God's Instructions on how we must live. And it is generally agreed by even the unsaved, that these "laws" are good and just.
You must not have read Romans 3. Let me quote it for you and add some bold emphasis:

10 as it is written:
None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”

The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), Ro 3:10–12.


So yes, it is a fact that Romans 3 says nobody does this naturally.
 

SavedByGrace

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You must not have read Romans 3. Let me quote it for you and add some bold emphasis:

10 as it is written:
None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”

The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), Ro 3:10–12.


So yes, it is a fact that Romans 3 says nobody does this naturally.

you have completely missed what Paul is saying here. There is no one who is "righteous" in themselves, as this is only "imparted" when the sinner receives Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour and Lord.
You will notice in your Greek NT, that the verbs εκζητων and ποιῶν, are both active, present. which denotes something that is "ongoing, continuance". I doubt if there are many Christians after they are born again, who actually fulfil these themselves!
 

SavedByGrace

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In truth I know what it is to be born again. I know it's a Person that saves, and not a doctrine. I hope you come to that realization yourself.

as usual you "reformed" can hardly answer any question, without humming and harring...
 

Jerome

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Back to the OP,

C.H. Spurgeon on that parable (sermon of August 1, 1858):

" 'No', says one strong-doctrine man, 'God never invites all men to himself; he invites none but certain characters.' Stop, sir, that is all you know about it. Did you ever read that parable where it is said, 'My oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage'. And they that were bidden would not come. And did you never read that they all began to make excuse, and that they were punished because they did not accept the invitations. Now, if the invitation is not to be made to anybody, but to the man who will accept it, how can that parable be true? The fact is, the oxen and fatlings are killed; the wedding feast is ready, and the trumpet sounds, 'Ho every one that thirsteth, come and eat, come and drink'. Here are the provisions spread, here is an all-sufficiency; the invitation is free; it is a great invitation without limitation. 'Whosoever will, let him come and take of the water of life freely'."
 

Van

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No one seeks God! The people of Matthew 23:13 were in the process of entering the kingdom, and therefore were seeking God.
Thus the idea is no one seeks God when they have turned aside, and we all at times turn aside.
So no one seeks God when sinning, and everyone sins, therefore no one seeks God all the time.

No need to make more of this verse than its intended message, the unsaved are all under sin. Full Stop
 

SavedByGrace

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Back to the OP,

C.H. Spurgeon on that parable (sermon of August 1, 1858):

" 'No', says one strong-doctrine man, 'God never invites all men to himself; he invites none but certain characters.' Stop, sir, that is all you know about it. Did you ever read that parable where it is said, 'My oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage'. And they that were bidden would not come. And did you never read that they all began to make excuse, and that they were punished because they did not accept the invitations. Now, if the invitation is not to be made to anybody, but to the man who will accept it, how can that parable be true? The fact is, the oxen and fatlings are killed; the wedding feast is ready, and the trumpet sounds, 'Ho every one that thirsteth, come and eat, come and drink'. Here are the provisions spread, here is an all-sufficiency; the invitation is free; it is a great invitation without limitation. 'Whosoever will, let him come and take of the water of life freely'."

and I thought that CHS was a "Calvinist"! God opened his eyes to His Great Truth of His Great Gospel of salvation for "whosoever will"! Amen!
 
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