The Invitation To Heaven

[SavedByGrace]

We do find the constant barrage of misreadings and wrestings a bit wearisome.

check out # 217, lets have your thoughts on what CHS says...

 

[SavedByGrace]

You must not have read Romans 3. Let me quote it for you and add some bold emphasis:

10 as it is written:
“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.”
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton, IL: Crossway Bibles, 2016), Ro 3:10–12.


So yes, it is a fact that Romans 3 says nobody does this naturally.

what do you make of Jesus' words in Luke 13:24? "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to". Where the Greek Ἀγωνίζεσθε, is to "contend, exert oneself, to endeavor with strenuous zeal".

 

[Reformed1689]

you have completely missed what Paul is saying here. There is no one who is "righteous" in themselves, as this is only "imparted" when the sinner receives Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour and Lord.
You will notice in your Greek NT, that the verbs εκζητων and ποιῶν, are both active, present. which denotes something that is "ongoing, continuance". I doubt if there are many Christians after they are born again, who actually fulfil these themselves!

Of course, but we are not talking about after being in Christ, we are talking about people who are not in Christ. It says there are none who are righteous and not only that there are NONE that seek after God. So why do some seek God? It's because God effectually calls them and causes them to seek Him. He changes their heart and desire.

 

[Reformed1689]

No one seeks God! The people of Matthew 23:13 were in the process of entering the kingdom, and therefore were seeking God.
Thus the idea is no one seeks God when they have turned aside, and we all at times turn aside.
So no one seeks God when sinning, and everyone sins, therefore no one seeks God all the time.

No need to make more of this verse than its intended message, the unsaved are all under sin. Full Stop

Scripture says none seek God. So do you disagree with God?

 

[SavedByGrace]

It's because God effectually calls them and causes them to seek Him

and you said that you believe in FREE WILL. Man, why can't you be consistent in what you believe?

 

[Reformed1689]

and you said that you believe in FREE WILL. Man, why can't you be consistent in what you believe?

I did say I believe in free will if by free will you mean we always choose what we desire.

 

[Van]

Scripture says none seek God. So do you disagree with God?

You are in the group that disagrees completely with God. You deny the people of Matthew 23:13 were seeking God. Therefore your view is completely unbiblical nonsense. You, you, you are a one trick pony.

No one seeks God! The people of Matthew 23:13 were in the process of entering the kingdom, and therefore were seeking God.
Thus the idea is no one seeks God when they have turned aside, and we all at times turn aside.
So no one seeks God when sinning, and everyone sins, therefore no one seeks God all the time.

No need to make more of this verse than its intended message, the unsaved are all under sin. Full Stop

 

[Reformed1689]

You are in the group that disagrees completely with God. You deny the people of Matthew 23:13 were seeking God. Therefore your view is completely unbiblical nonsense. You, you, you are a one trick pony.

No one seeks God! The people of Matthew 23:13 were in the process of entering the kingdom, and therefore were seeking God.
Thus the idea is no one seeks God when they have turned aside, and we all at times turn aside.
So no one seeks God when sinning, and everyone sins, therefore no one seeks God all the time.

No need to make more of this verse than its intended message, the unsaved are all under sin. Full Stop

Did I say nobody seeks God? No. I said nobody IN THEIR NATURAL STATE seeks God.

 

[Reformed1689]

Man, why can't you be consistent in what you believe?

I am very consistent. You just seem to always want to twist what has been said.

 

[1689Dave]

Again and again the one trick pony tries to change the subject and disparage the messenger of truth.

It's a really serious position you take assuming you are right.

 

[1689Dave]

Generalizations of victory are the stock and trade of false teachers.

The truth in one scripture destroys all human interpretations.

 

[1689Dave]

A T Robertson, Reformed scholar

The world (τον κοσμον — ton kosmon). The whole cosmos of men, including Gentiles, the whole human race. This universal aspect of God‘s love appears also in 2 Corinthians 5:19; Romans 5:8.

John Calvin

That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found inthe world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life.

David Brown (part of JFB), Reformed

16. For God so loved, &c.--What proclamation of the Gospel has been so oft on the lips of missionaries and preachers in every age since it was first uttered? What has sent such thrilling sensations through millions of mankind? What has been honored to bring such multitudes to the feet of Christ? What to kindle in the cold and selfish breasts of mortals the fires of self-sacrificing love to mankind, as these words of transparent simplicity, yet overpowering majesty? The picture embraces several distinct compartments: "THE WORLD"--in its widest sense--ready "to perish"; the immense "LOVE OF GOD" to that perishing world, measurable only, and conceivable only, by the gift which it drew forth from Him; THE GIFT itself--"He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son," or, in the language of Paul, "spared not His own Son" ( Rom 8:32 ), or in that addressed to Abraham when ready to offer Isaac on the altar, "withheld not His Son, His only Son, whom He loved" ( Gen 22:16 ); the FRUIT of this stupendous gift--not only deliverance from impending "perdition," but the bestowal of everlasting life; the MODE in which all takes effect--by "believing" on the Son. How would Nicodemus' narrow Judaism become invisible in the blaze of this Sun of righteousness seen rising on "the world" with healing in His wings! ( Mal 4:2 ).

Once the term includes the created universe, you are stuck trying to disprove it and changing the meaning.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Once the term includes the created universe, you are stuck trying to disprove it and changing the meaning.

it appears that you don't understand how Hebrew and Greek word meanings actually work.

 

[Iconoclast]

are you saying that ALL the "non elect" are haters of God? Really? ask you neighbour who does not believe. I know a few people who are not born again, yet are NOT opposed to God or the Gospel.

In opposing the teaching of scriptures on mans fallen condition,sbg goes on to state how he himself opposes the God of scripture by stating the complete opposite of the biblical teaching.
When you casually set aside the light,turn from it, darkness follows

 

[Iconoclast]

speak for yourself! before I was saved on the 25th Feb 1982, I was NOT against God in any way. I was brought up in a Christian home, and went to a CoE Church! I did NOT hate or rebell, or dislike or do or think anything against God. There you have it.

You were a rebel the whole time,desiring sin rather than salvation from sin.

 

[SavedByGrace]

desiring sin rather than salvation from sin

speak for yourself! you don't even know me

 

[Yeshua1]

Romans 10

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Have to believe in the real Jesus, not the one of Mormonism/JW/or Islam!

 

[Yeshua1]

you said, "the fact that nobody naturally does that as told". Where do you get this from? Certainly not from Romans 3. There are millions of non believers who "naturally" do things that the Bible says, like, love their spouse, not commit adultery, not steal or murder, or rape, or lie and cheat, etc. These all have their roots in the Bible, as God's Instructions on how we must live. And it is generally agreed by even the unsaved, that these "laws" are good and just.

NONE of them are reconciled to God, nor saved by any of that!

 

[Yeshua1]

and I thought that CHS was a "Calvinist"! God opened his eyes to His Great Truth of His Great Gospel of salvation for "whosoever will"! Amen!

He also would state that the ones who would come and receive were those chosen by God to do such!

 

[Yeshua1]

speak for yourself! you don't even know me

Lord does, and His view is ALL were rebels before saved!