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Reformed Speculation VS Jesus Christ

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Yeshua1

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AustinC said:
It's worse than that. Like Miracle Max, they declare that the Bible is wrong when it says that we were dead in our trespasses and sins. Instead, they declare a man is only mostly dead and thus must cooperate with God in order for God to save them.
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I would feel MUCH more secure if God totally saved me by Himself, rather then needing my assistance!
 
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SavedByGrace said:
so Jesus saying "few" is an error?. He clearly is contrasting "many" with "few", and says that the latter are those who will get to heaven. It is very simple
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Still can be many, in the sense a large number in total!
over 7 billion alive today, if a billion got saved, would that not still be a lot?
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Still can be many, in the sense a large number in total!
over 7 billion alive today, if a billion got saved, would that not still be a lot?
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again, we are not talking about a "great multitude" of person who will be saved. the contrast is with those who are the lost, where the theologians in the OP, like others, have wrongly said that in the end, the "majority" will be in heaven, which is against Jesus' own words.
 
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SavedByGrace said:
again, we are not talking about a "great multitude" of person who will be saved. the contrast is with those who are the lost, where the theologians in the OP, like others, have wrongly said that in the end, the "majority" will be in heaven, which is against Jesus' own words.
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Would you agree still can be a very larger number saved?
 
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SavedByGrace said:
again, we are not talking about a "great multitude" of person who will be saved. the contrast is with those who are the lost, where the theologians in the OP, like others, have wrongly said that in the end, the "majority" will be in heaven, which is against Jesus' own words.
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you cannot find Jesus saying that.
Reformed persons know a great multitude that no man can number will be saved.
more caricatures from you.
 
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SavedByGrace said:
you bang on about the same old unreformed nonsense, but the OP has nothing to do with what you say. The OP shows that the so-called "reformed" theory that the "majority" of the human race will be in heaven, is simply not true, as Jesus Himself very cleary says!
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it is scriptural so no wonder you do not recognize it.
 
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you cannot find Jesus saying that
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I don't want to sound rude, but can you read and understand the English language? it is VERY clear in the OP that Jesus says that the MAJORITY will not be saved, but only the MINORITY. I can post in Hebrew, Greek or Latin, if you like?
 
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SavedByGrace said:
I don't want to sound rude, but can you read and understand the English language? it is VERY clear in the OP that Jesus says that the MAJORITY will not be saved, but only the MINORITY. I can post in Hebrew, Greek or Latin, if you like?
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Minority can still be a very large number!
 
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SavedByGrace,

I don't want to sound rude, but can you read and understand the English language? it is VERY clear in the OP that Jesus says that the MAJORITY will not be saved, but only the MINORITY. I can post in Hebrew, Greek or Latin, if you like?
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Show your verse if you can..I will wait. Tell me you are not trying to twist luke 18????:Cautious:Cautious:Cautious:Cautious

7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?

8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

What verses do you think mention any majority or minority?
 
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According to Revelation 7:9, there is a 'great multitude' who will be saved, so great that no man can number them. You ask how many that is? I can't tell you; no man can number them :Tongue.
What I can tell you is what they are saying: 'Salvation belongs to our God who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb.'
 
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SavedByGrace said:
Charles Haddon Spurgeon December 28, 1856, Revelation 14:1-3, New Park Street Pulpit Volume 3

'... Why, my friends, I believe there will be more in heaven than in hell. If you ask me why I think so, I answer, because Christ, in everything, is to "have the pre-eminence," and I cannot conceive how he could have the pre-eminence if there are to be more in the dominions of Satan than in paradise. Moreover, it is said there is to be a multitude that no man can number in heaven; I have never read that there is to be a multitude that no man can number in hell. But I rejoice to know that the souls of all infants, as soon as they die, speed their way to paradise. Think what a multitude there is of them! And then there are the just, and the redeemed of all nations and kindreds up till now; and there are better times coming, when the religion of Christ shall be universal.'
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Christ did not have the pre-eminence in looks. He had no beauty that we should desire Him. He had no pre-eminence in His earthly estate: born into poverty, in the least of the cities in Judea. The foxes had holes, but he had no where to lay His head.

To say that having the pre-eminence in all things means being greater in everything as men count greatness is a grave error. The only way the number of the Redeemed could be greater than the number of the damned is if the number of the faithful was the majority population for most of history. That's just not going to happen. Christ's coming will be as it was in the days of Noah, where a vast multitude was swept off the face of the earth and only eight souls were saved.

Spurgeon's error here is fueled somewhat by his Premillennialism, where He thinks Christ will reign on this earth with His glorified body while the human population is still multiplying. And the thought is that most of them will be redeemed.

Kind of a ridiculous notion if you ask me.
 
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Martin Marprelate said:
According to Revelation 7:9, there is a 'great multitude' who will be saved, so great that no man can number them. You ask how many that is? I can't tell you; no man can number them :Tongue.
What I can tell you is what they are saying: 'Salvation belongs to our God who sits upon the throne, and to the Lamb.'
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I guess the english language is pretty clear here
 
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