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God Who is The Saviour of the Human Race

Aaron

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kyredneck said:
Possibly, in the person of Lot: 2 Peter 2:5-8
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I think that's a reach.

SavedByGrace said:
there are many millions who have not heard the Gospel
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Who determined that? But it doesn't strike you as a bit ridiculous to say that Christ died for each individual member of the race when there are vast multitudes for whom He died in vain?

SavedByGrace said:
so the billons are not worthy? Yeah, such is the "Reformed" gospel!
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And there ya go. You think people are worthy; that there is some quality; some measure of goodness that makes one make the right choice, and that quality is less so in those who don't.

The Reformed Gospel is that non are worthy. It's all of grace.
 
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Aaron

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SavedByGrace said:
your question is pure specualtion and not relevant
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Not at all. One's theology determines the answer.

If one's coming into this world is not because of the determination of God, then it is by time and chance that you are here. God did not bring you here to this time and place. He didn't necessarily want you personally to hear the Gospel. You just lucked out.

Now God is this impersonal and aloof CEO that @Van preaches, who brings you into the corporate body of the elect because you met a qualification, and Christ died in vain for a vast multitude.

But if one's coming into this world is because of the determinate counsel of God, then your universalism is DOA.

I think you sense that, and that's why you're avoiding the question.
 
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Here is another misrepresentation of truth:
"Now God is this impersonal and aloof CEO that @Van preaches, who brings you into the corporate body of the elect because you met a qualification, and Christ died in vain for a vast multitude."

1) Is the church, the "out from transferred" made up of individuals? Yes Acts of the Apostles 11:26
2) Does putting our faith in Christ "qualify" the individual for salvation? Nope Romans 9:16
3) Was Christ's death as a ransom for all in vain? Nope Christ provided the means of salvation for the whole world, all humankind. 1 John 2:2
4) Is God impersonal and aloof? No, His lovingkindness directed toward everyone of us, Romans 5:8
 
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Aaron

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Van said:
Here is another misrepresentation of truth:
"Now God is this impersonal and aloof CEO that @Van preaches, who brings you into the corporate body of the elect because you met a qualification, and Christ died in vain for a vast multitude."

1) Is the church, the "out from transferred" made up of individuals? Yes
2) Does putting our faith in Christ "qualify" the individual for salvation? Nope
3) Was Christ's death as a ransom for all in vain? Nope Christ provided the means of salvation for the whole world, all humankind.
4) Is God impersonal and aloof? No, His lovingkindness directed toward everyone of us, Romans 5:8
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I noticed you aren't arguing that you didn't just luck out coming into this world.
 
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Aaron said:
I noticed you aren't arguing that you didn't just luck out coming into this world.
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No I am standing on the truth of God's word.

But, full disclosure, I oppose "exhaustive determinism." Jesus said things happen by chance...
So we have a mix of things, some predestined, like the predetermined plan that brought Christ to the cross, and somethings by chance, like the priest choosing to take that road that day. Luke 10:31
 
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SavedByGrace

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Aaron said:
Yes, as the Ark was the savior of the whole world in the days of Noah.
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now you joke! how many were saved during the Flood? EIGHT people, how can this be "the whole world". You make it up as you go along, like most who believe your theology :eek:
 
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Van said:
No I am standing on the truth of God's word.

But, full disclosure, I oppose "exhaustive determinism." Jesus said things happen by chance...
So we have a mix of things, some predestined, like the predetermined plan that brought Christ to the cross, and somethings by chance, like the good Samaritan choosing to take that road that day.
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God didn't necessarily want you. Wow. Love Divine.
 
Aaron

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SavedByGrace said:
now you joke! how many were saved during the Flood? EIGHT people, how can this be "the whole world". You make it up as you go along, like most who believe your theology :eek:
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The Ark is a type of Christ. You didn't know that? The entire race was saved in Noah.
 
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Just a quick note on 1 Timothy 4:10:

The God who is the Savior is Jesus, Titus 2:13 (properly translated).
To be the Savior does not mean having saved everyone.
Rather the Savior is the one who actually saves.
Thus our Savior provides the means of salvation for all people AND provides the salvation for those chosen and placed into Christ.
 
SavedByGrace

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Thus far no one has been able to refute what I have said in the OP, that God is indeed the SAVIOUR of the entire human race, but this is only is effective when the sinner repents of their sins, and believes in the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour and Lord. The distinction between "all humans", and "those who believe", is clear. The latter are from the former, and as the latter are the "saved", the former are clearly not, even though it says that God is their Saviour. This is not theology, but pure Bible!
 
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