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So Jesus is not fully God?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 37818, Mar 31, 2021.

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    37818 Well-Known Member

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    Was a reply to the some Biblical truths.
    That God is not a man, Hosea 11:9.
    That God does not change, Malachi 3:6.
    And that Jesus Christ as a man is our mediator, 1 Timothy 2:5.
     
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    What.......? Apostasy at its finest


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    rank heresy! :eek:
     
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    37818 Well-Known Member

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    Huh. Three Bible truths are apostasy.
    Three Bible truths are rank heresy

    Wow.

    Or were those replies to that question asked do to those three Bible truths? Those replies were unclear.
     
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    Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

    2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    Here is a little ditty I heard from a preacher friend of mine... Three in one and one in three and the one in the middle died for me!... Brother Glen:)

    Btw... Feel free to pass it on!
     
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    37818 Well-Known Member

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    The Trinity is not at issue. But in a correct Biblical understanding of the Son of God that His two natures are not mixed.
     
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    Jesus Christ IS fully 100% Almighty God from eternity past, as are God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. The Three Persons are 100% coeternal, coessential and coequal. Each Person is called YHWH in the Bible. There is no subordination of Persons in the Godhead, though for the sake of the salvation of fallen humans, the Three Persons took on different roles. After His Incarnation, the Lord Jesus Christ, while remaining 100% Almighty God, took upon Himself the complete nature of human beings, apart from its sinfullness. Thereby He is the God-Man, 100% God and 100% Man, which He is in heaven at the present time. There was never a time when Jesus Christ is not "fully God", as this OP's title says, which is rank heresy.
     
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    which it is very clear, that YOU don't understand! :rolleyes:
     
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    Everyone should just stop tap dancing around the real question:

    Are the two natures of Jesus Christ separate or inseparable?

    That is where you are exchanging unsubstantiated charges of apostasy and heresy.
     
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    Wrong question. The Son is not separate from those two distinct natures which are not the same. We do have a problem of language here.
     
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    No, it you who does not understand. And worse yet, you do make false accusations.
     
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    God is not subordinate to Himself. In that all three distinct Persons being the one and the same God. Is man subordinate to God or not? God does not change, Malachi 3:6. Now the Word who was God, John 1:1, also changed to become flesh, John 1:14. Now the Word being God never changed. Give an explanation how the Word changed? Man is subordinate. The Word as God is not subordinate. Please give a simple answer to question.
     
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    If they are inseparable, then they must both be eternal and you are suggesting differently.
    If they are separable, then the Son of God can be eternally unchanging while the man Jesus can change.

    However, feel free to continue to point fingers at each other and exchange:
    • "Did so." ... "Did not." ... "Did so." ...
    without me.
     
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    No. The written word of God does. Did not the Word change to become flesh? John 1:14.
    The natures are not separable from Him. And that change did happen. And Jesus Christ as the man did change to become an unchangable man too, Hebrews 13:8.
     
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    Context determines meaning.

    Hosea (God is not a man) is referring to difference between how men act and how God acts.

    Malachi (God does not change) refers to God’s attributes. When only God existed, prior to creation, was He “Creator”? Was He covenant maker? Was He “Righteous Judge”? Was He “Comforter”? “Friend”?

    God’s attributes do not change

    1Timothy; Paul refers to Christ humanity as our mediator.

    peace to you
     
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    So does your arguments mean God did change into a man? And so do you believe God is now a man?
     
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    If you will answer if Jesus ever ceased to be fully Yahweh when he became a man, or now!
     
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    Yes, the Second person of the Trinity assumed on sinless humanity and became forever then the God man!
     
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    Deity did NOT change at all in his divine nature and attributes, but did assume on sinless human nature and flesh!
     
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    So are you saying God did change become a man? So do you. believe that God is now a man?
     
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