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While we be physically or spiritually resurrected?

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Yeshua1

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Will we be raised up in same body now have, but glorified, or have a "spiritual" resurrection only?
 
SavedByGrace

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asterisktom said:
42 through 49
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I still don't see what you are saying?

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
 
atpollard

atpollard

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SavedByGrace said:
I still don't see what you are saying?

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
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That sounds like we will have the image of the POST Resurrection Christ ... our glorified resurrection body as His body was glorified at His resurrection.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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Philippians 3:21, "who will transform our lowly body to be like His glorious body, by the power that enables Him even to subject all things to Himself"
 
asterisktom

asterisktom

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SavedByGrace said:
I still don't see what you are saying.
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In those verse, SavedByGrace, we read about the originators of the two classes, Adam and Christ. Adam “became a living being”. Christ, “a life-giving Spirit.” KJV unhelpfully provides “became“, which is not at all the point.

The following verses show a very important truth about our future natures.

Notice first the origins of these two persons:

“The first man is of the earth (ἐκ γῆς), earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven (ἐξ οὐρανοῦ) .”

This passage is a continuation of verse 40: somata epigeia and somata epourania now become “ek ges” and “ex ouranou”. This preposition (ek, ex – the forms only differ because of euphonics) shows origin. Adam came from the earth, from the dust. This brings to mind the very passage from Genesis. The “Second Adam” came from heaven. Note: In both cases, the origins determine the essence of who these two are – and (v. 48) the essence of their “followers”.

Verse 49 says that “we shall [or “let us”] bear the image of the heavenly man” (the Second Adam, from heaven).

Now here is the application:

1.We shall be like Christ. 1st John 3:2
2.And what is Christ like – according to this passage? He is like He was before He came to Earth. He is spiritual.
3.Was Christ fleshly before he came here to Earth? No. He was pure Spirit.
4.We – according to this passage – will also be like Him.
Spiritual bodies. Spirits of just men made perfect, as we are told in Hebrews.

We cannot have part Adam’s essence (“dust”) and part Christ’s, seeing that we could not then “enter into the Kingdom of God”. “Dust” has to do with “flesh and blood”, not spirit.
 
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SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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asterisktom said:
In those verse, SavedByGrace, we read about the originators of the two classes, Adam and Christ. Adam “became a living being”. Christ, “a life-giving Spirit.” KJV unhelpfully provides “became“, which is not at all the point.

The following verses show a very important truth about our future natures.

Notice first the origins of these two persons:

“The first man is of the earth (ἐκ γῆς), earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven (ἐξ οὐρανοῦ) .”

This passage is a continuation of verse 40: somata epigeia and somata epourania now become “ek ges” and “ex ouranou”. This preposition (ek, ex – the forms only differ because of euphonics) shows origin. Adam came from the earth, from the dust. This brings to mind the very passage from Genesis. The “Second Adam” came from heaven. Note: In both cases, the origins determine the essence of who these two are – and (v. 48) the essence of their “followers”.

Verse 49 says that “we shall [or “let us”] bear the image of the heavenly man” (the Second Adam, from heaven).

Now here is the application:

1.We shall be like Christ.
2.And what is Christ like – according to this passage? He is like He was before He came to Earth. He is spiritual.
3.Was Christ fleshly before he came here to Earth? No. He was pure Spirit.
4.We – according to this passage – will also be like Him.
Spiritual bodies. Spirits of just men made perfect, as we are told in Hebrews.

We cannot have part Adam’s essence (“dust”) and part Christ’s, seeing that we could not then “enter into the Kingdom of God”. “Dust” has to do with “flesh and blood”, not spirit.
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verse 44 and Philippians 3:21 is clear
 
asterisktom

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Yeshua1 said:
Actually, John stated that the pattern for us is His resurrected body!
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Read that verse again. "when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. "

This is post-ascension. And, yes, we shall be like Him. And, according to the equally inspired Paul, "we shall bear the image of the Heavenly [Man]" ("Man" understood from vs. 47).

This Heavenly Man is "a life giving Spirit"

So John and Paul say the same thing, but from different aspects.
 
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