Will There Be a Future Literal 1000-Year Reign of Christ on the Earth?

[Scripture More Accurately]

What is Redemption but the spoiling of Satan's house?

To say that the redemption of individuals is the spoiling of Satan in that individual is not to say the same thing as Revelation 20:1-3 has been fulfilled such that the devil is bound so as not to deceive the nations for 1000 years. The two are not even remotely the same thing.

 

[Aaron]

To say that the redemption of individuals is the spoiling of Satan in that individual is not to say the same thing as Revelation 20:1-3 has been fulfilled such that the devil is bound so as not to deceive the nations for 1000 years. The two are not even remotely the same thing.

The devil's are subject only individuals? Sez who?

But Christ said if He casts out Satan by the Spirit, then the Kingdom is come.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

You did, and it is most relevant. To have an exact power of ten not once, but twelve times is irrefutably the result of design and determination.

If it isn't election, then it's symbol. I say it's both. You realize the epistles say that believers are the Temple of the living God? Practically every prescription regarding the construction of Gods dwelling was a factor of twelve: 48 boards in 96 sockets comprised the meeting place. No more, no less. 60 posts encompassed the court. No more no less. That's four, eight, and five twelves respectively. Twelve patriarchs. Twelve tribes. Twelve gems. Twelve Apostles. Twelve foundations. Twelve gates.

Now tell me again that determination--Election--isnt relevant.

All one needs to do is read the Scriptures.

Tell me again you have no Scriptural reason to think the number is symbolic.

It's the number of the redeemed. And as 1000 is the number of completion, 12000 times 12?

You can't escape. It's either election, or not literally 144k.

You have no alternative. Which is it?

I have not made any claims one way or the other about election. Nor have I made any statements about various numbers not being important in Scripture, including the number 12.

Election is not relevant to discuss in this thread concerning whether or not there will be a future literal 1000-year reign of Christ on the earth.

You claim that "1000 is the number of completion." Where and how does the Bible teach that?

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

Sez who?

Says the Bible. Acts 26:18 and many other passages refute the notion that in the time of the early church Satan was bound such that he was sealed in the bottomless pit and not deceiving the nations on the earth.

Past the midpoint of the first century AD, under inspiration, Peter said that the devil as a roaring lion, was freely walking about on the earth seeking people to devour (1 Pet. 5:8). That statement refutes any notion that Satan was already bound in the bottomless pit.

If he was not even bound in that specific manner for the 60 or so years during the times that the Apostles were alive on the earth, your claim that he has already been bound for 1000 years has no biblical basis.

 

[Aaron]

You claim that "1000 is the number of completion." Where and how does the Bible teach that?

You claim it too. How long to fulfill the promises to Abraham and to his seed?

 

[Aaron]

Says the Bible. Acts 26:18 and many other passages refute the notion that in the time of the early church Satan was bound such that he was sealed in the bottomless pit and not deceiving the nations on the earth.

Past the midpoint of the first century AD, under inspiration, Peter said that the devil as a roaring lion, was freely walking about on the earth seeking people to devour (1 Pet. 5:8). That statement refutes any notion that Satan was already bound in the bottomless pit.

If he was not even bound in that specific manner for the 60 or so years during the times that the Apostles were alive on the earth, your claim that he has already been bound for 1000 years has no biblical basis.

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

You claim it too. How long to fulfill the promises to Abraham and to his seed?

Where have I claimed it?

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

The devil's are subject only individuals? Sez who?

But Christ said if He casts out Satan by the Spirit, then the Kingdom is come.

I never said, "The devil's are subject only individuals."

To say that Christ's casting out Satan in individuals by the Spirit shows that the kingdom has come does not prove that the 1000-year Millennial kingdom has come.

 

[Aaron]

Where have I claimed it?

How long is the Millennial Reign again?

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

How long is the Millennial Reign again?

Revelation 20 says six times that it lasts for a 1000 years. I did not say that; the Spirit says that. To make that symbolic of "completion" in the same sense that you spoke about the number 12 from all those other texts is faulty.

 

[Aaron]

Revelation 20 says six times that it lasts for a 1000 years. I did not say that; the Spirit says that. To make that symbolic of "completion" in the same sense that you spoke about the number 12 from all those other texts is faulty.

But that's how long the Son of David has to reign to fulfill the promises. Correct? Why not 500 years. 1500?

 

[Salty]

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[percho]

"Dave G,

David, we can always disagree, but I am offering another way that many see these truths.


Hebrews12:22-29 says He is ruling and speaking from Heaven;
I will highlight it here;
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh.

For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth,
much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Amen.
Peter says David is not ruling but Jesus is.

This text identifies the heavenly Zion and jerusalem.
The earthly Jerusalem is no longer the Holy Place.

The rule of God has been started, right in the midst of His enemies;
110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.

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Psa 110:1

¶
[[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Acts 3:219-21 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Psalms 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.- to the end of the chapter.


Matt 19:28

 

[Reformed1689]

The wonderful Gospel is for WHOSOEVER nothing more nothing less. Theology has corrupted this Bible Truth

You missed a word, Whosoever Believeth....

 

[SavedByGrace]

You missed a word, Whosoever Believeth....

The Gospel is for the entire human race, only those who actually repent and believe are the ones who will be saved. "Whosoever", is from those of the whole world that believes, as in those in Revelation 22:17, "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely"

 

[Reformed1689]

The Gospel is for the entire human race, only those who actually repent and believe are the ones who will be saved. "Whosoever", is from those of the whole world that believes, as in those in Revelation 22:17, "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely"

Yes, and I know this is off topic, my point is it is not whosever, it is whosoever with a qualifier, believes, and not everyone can/will believe unless they are drawn by the Father. That's what Jesus said.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Yes, and I know this is off topic, my point is it is not whosever, it is whosoever with a qualifier, believes, and not everyone can/will believe unless they are drawn by the Father. That's what Jesus said.

your theology renders the preaching of the Gospel, which is for the salvation of all sinners, a complete SHAM!

 

[Scripture More Accurately]

But that's how long the Son of David has to reign to fulfill the promises. Correct? Why not 500 years. 1500?

To my knowledge, the Bible does not provide any reasons for the length of the period.

 

[Reformed1689]

your theology renders the preaching of the Gospel, which is for the salvation of all sinners, a complete SHAM!

It would if that was the Gospel....

 

[SavedByGrace]

It would if that was the Gospel....

That is the Gospel of the Bible. Not theology