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Paul and The Philosophers at Athens

SavedByGrace

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You simply don’t understand the purpose of OT Law and all other commands of God that He knows we cannot do.

right, so God commans that we do not commit adultery, rape, steal, murder, have abortions, become LGBTQ, etc, etc, because He KNOWS that we really cannot. He then punishes us for doing the very things that He KNOWS that we do, because they are out of our control? So NONE of these can be SINS, nor can any person doing these, be punished for them. If they are, then God is unjust! Which is impossible, and therefore what you are saying is also impossible! Much reformed theology will make you mad!
 

canadyjd

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right, so God commans that we do not commit adultery, rape, steal, murder, have abortions, become LGBTQ, etc, etc, because He KNOWS that we really cannot. He then punishes us for doing the very things that He KNOWS that we do, because they are out of our control? So NONE of these can be SINS, nor can any person doing these, be punished for them. If they are, then God is unjust! Which is impossible, and therefore what you are saying is also impossible! Much reformed theology will make you mad!
Does God know everything? My Bible says yes.

Did God give the OT Law as instructions He commanded the Hebrews to keep and punished them if they failed? My Bible says yes.

Did anyone ever keep the OT Law perfectly, so as achieve salvation? My Bible says no.

Therefore, by a very simple exercise of minimal mental ability, we can conclude that God demanded people keep the OT Law, knowing they would not be able.

The reason was to point us all to our need of a Savior in Jesus Christ who could fulfill that perfect Law on our behalf.

That’s what my Bible says and if reformed theology agrees with scripture, which it does, then I thank God for opening my mind to that understanding.

I’m done now. Thanks for the conversation.

peace to you
 

SavedByGrace

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Does God know everything? My Bible says yes.

Did God give the OT Law as instructions He commanded the Hebrews to keep and punished them if they failed? My Bible says yes.

Did anyone ever keep the OT Law perfectly, so as achieve salvation? My Bible says no.

Therefore, by a very simple exercise of minimal mental ability, we can conclude that God demanded people keep the OT Law, knowing they would not be able.

The reason was to point us all to our need of a Savior in Jesus Christ who could fulfill that perfect Law on our behalf.

That’s what my Bible says and if reformed theology agrees with scripture, which it does, then I thank God for opening my mind to that understanding.

I’m done now. Thanks for the conversation.

peace to you

would God place ANY burdens on us humans that He knows that we cannot do? NO. If your reasoning is correct, then there cannot be any SIN in this world, as God has made it impossible for us not to sin, by our weak human natures!
 

canadyjd

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would God place ANY burdens on us humans that He knows that we cannot do? NO. If your reasoning is correct, then there cannot be any SIN in this world, as God has made it impossible for us not to sin, by our weak human natures!
You see God’s commands as a “burden”, I see them as a reflection of His perfect nature.

Your reasoning is flawed and without any comprehension of God’s plan for His creation as clearly revealed in His Word which is the Bible I use.

You have already admitted you don’t know the Bible I use:

Truer words may never have been posted.

peace to you
 

SavedByGrace

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You see God’s commands as a “burden”, I see them as a reflection of His perfect nature.

Your reasoning is flawed and without any comprehension of God’s plan for His creation as clearly revealed in His Word which is the Bible I use.

You have already admitted you don’t know the Bible I use:

Truer words may never have been posted.

peace to you

Ok you've had your say and your reasoning is biblically unsound. See ya
 

Van

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God commanded the Jews to keep the OT Law, knowing not a single person would be able to do it and punishing them for not keeping it.

peace to you
What about all the OT saints? Are you claiming "not a single person" obtained approval by faith?

Job 39:12
“Will you have faith in him that he will return your grain
And gather it from your threshing floor?

Hab 2:4
“Behold, as for the proud one,
His soul is not right within him;
But the righteous will live by his faith.

Num 14:11
The LORD said to Moses, “How long will this people spurn Me? And how long will they not believe in Me, despite all the signs which I have performed in their midst?

Isa 43:10
“You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
 

canadyjd

Well-Known Member
What about all the OT saints? Are you claiming "not a single person" obtained approval by faith?

Job 39:12
“Will you have faith in him that he will return your grain
And gather it from your threshing floor?

Hab 2:4
“Behold, as for the proud one,
His soul is not right within him;
But the righteous will live by his faith.

Num 14:11
The LORD said to Moses, “How long will this people spurn Me? And how long will they not believe in Me, despite all the signs which I have performed in their midst?

Isa 43:10
“You are My witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“And My servant whom I have chosen,
So that you may know and believe Me
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
And there will be none after Me.
That’s not what I said.

Scripture tells us not one single person was justified by keeping the law, even though all were commanded to keep it.

Peace to you
 

Van

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That’s not what I said.

Scripture tells us not one single person was justified by keeping the law, even though all were commanded to keep it.

Peace to you
So you did not say God provided the means of salvation under the Old Covenant. You simply suggested God's OT Law did not provide the means of salvation. Got it...

Psa 78:22
Because they did not believe in God
And did not trust in His salvation.
 

canadyjd

Well-Known Member
So you did not say God provided the means of salvation under the Old Covenant. You simply suggested God's OT Law did not provide the means of salvation. Got it...

Psa 78:22
Because they did not believe in God
And did not trust in His salvation.
Now I remember why I don’t respond to you. You are incapable of accurately repeating what I say.

Thanks for the conversation

peace to you
 

Iconoclast

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would God place ANY burdens on us humans that He knows that we cannot do? NO. If your reasoning is correct, then there cannot be any SIN in this world, as God has made it impossible for us not to sin, by our weak human natures!
More lets blame God for man's sin kind of post.
 

Iconoclast

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This was a city that was full of idol worship, which caused Paul’s spirit to be provoked within him. He immediately began by sharing the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His Resurrection (because he preached to them Jesus and the Resurrection, v.18). In response to the inscription, “To an Unknown god”, Paul used this to tell them about the One True God of the Holy Bible, and the real Hope that there is for all sinners, in the Lord Jesus Christ.

In verses 26-27, Paul tells these:

“And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us”

Paul tells these that they “should seek the Lord”. That is, ζητέω, to “seek after, desire, investigate, to feel the want of”. Then we have the interesting Greek word, “ψηλαφάω”, used, which means, “feel or grope about to find a thing, like a blind man”. Why all of this, if sinners have been “elected to salvation”, and are meant to DO nothing? This is what the Lord Jesus says in Luke 14:24, “Make every effort (strive) to enter through the narrow door, because I tell you, many will try to enter and won’t be able”. If the Reformed/Calvinistic teaching is Biblical, then these passages in the Bible will not be there!

Paul goes on to tell these,

“Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, “because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by braising Him from the dead.” (30-31)

Paul addresses these words to all those who were listening to him, not some select few, as some wrongly teach. God, says Paul, now demands that ALL humans EVERYWHERE must repent of their sins, because ALL will face the Lord for Judgement some day.

We are told in verse 32, that “some mocked” at the preaching of Paul, and others told him they would hear him again. And some men and women “joined him and believed”, the Gospel. In chapter 28 we read of the encounter that Paul had with some Jews, where it says, “And some believed by the things which were spoken, and some disbelieved.” (24). Again, it is clear from what the Bible says, that a sinner who hears the Gospel Message, might “believe” in what is preached, while others are not interested. They have a choice, not as some falsely teach, that God chooses their salvation for them! He also “repents and believes” on their behalf! These are perversions of the Gospel Message.

As with the people of Nineveh, who were very wicked and caused great harm to the Jews at that time, yet God in His Great Mercy and Compassion and Love, sent the Prophet Jonah to tell them the Great News of their salvation! Likewise, here in Acts 17, God saws these wretched, lost people who were “given to idol” worship, and sent the Apostle Paul with the Gospel of Hope, so that these could also “repent and believe”, and have eternal life. However, there are always some moaners, like in the time or Jonah, and now with the so called “Reformed”, who see that Greatness of God’s Salvation for the entire human race, do, like Jonah did, say to the Lord at least in their hearts:

“But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he became angry. So he prayed to the LORD, and said, “Ah, LORD, was not this what I said when I was still in my country? Therefore I fled previously to Tarshish; for I know that You are a gracious and merciful God, slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, One who relents from doing harm. “Therefore now, O LORD, please take my life from me, for bit is better or me to die than to live!” (Jonah 4:1-3)

This so much describes the “Reformed/Calvinist”, who always try to find verses that don’t exist in the Bible, for their favorite flower, the TULIP!
weak caricature,showing no.understanding of the means employed to bring salvation to the sinner
 

Van

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Now I remember why I don’t respond to you. You are incapable of accurately repeating what I say.
Thanks for the conversation
peace to you
Here is what the Calvinist claimed:
"God commanded the Jews to keep the OT Law, knowing not a single person would be able to do it and punishing them for not keeping it."
And here was my reply:
What about all the OT saints? Are you claiming "not a single person" obtained approval by faith?
And the reply? "That is not what I said." Note no answer to the question.
 

canadyjd

Well-Known Member
Here is what the Calvinist claimed:
"God commanded the Jews to keep the OT Law, knowing not a single person would be able to do it and punishing them for not keeping it."
And here was my reply:
What about all the OT saints? Are you claiming "not a single person" obtained approval by faith?
And the reply? "That is not what I said." Note no answer to the question.
The answer, “that’s not what I said”.

We weren’t talking about approval by faith. We were talking about whether God would require something of us that we could not do.

Had you read my post #22, you would find I stated the reason God did that was to point all of us toward our need for a Savior in Jesus Christ who would fulfill that perfect Law on our behalf.

When I say, “All of us” I am referring to all the redeemed from the creation to the 2nd coming.

Hope that clears it up for you

peace to you
 

SavedByGrace

Well-Known Member
Reformed theology make God out to be a very unfair Deity. He knowingly makes demands of human beings, knowing that it would be impossible for them to do so! So God gave the Ten Commandments, knowing that they could never be kept, and then when be break them, He punishes us for our inability that is built-in to our DNA! I wonder how many human parents would tell their kids to do, not not do something, knowing that they cannot, and then punish them for failing??? These teachings must be thought up by those who have a screw lose, because it is complete rubbish!
 

canadyjd

Well-Known Member
Reformed theology make God out to be a very unfair Deity. He knowingly makes demands of human beings, knowing that it would be impossible for them to do so! So God gave the Ten Commandments, knowing that they could never be kept, and then when be break them, He punishes us for our inability that is built-in to our DNA! I wonder how many human parents would tell their kids to do, not not do something, knowing that they cannot, and then punish them for failing??? These teachings must be thought up by those who have a screw lose, because it is complete rubbish!
Says the man who claims the commands of God are a “burden” that He puts upon His creation.

Says the man who refuses to acknowledge the obvious...

1. God knows everything
2. God gave the OT Law and punishes those that don’t keep it perfectly.
3. Scripture tells us not one single person was ever justified by keeping the OT Law, and therefore under the wrath of God.

Conclusion:

God gave the OT Law knowing no one could keep it.

peace to you
 
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